Rachel Rodgers: Then I was pregnant again in year two of my business at that point. That wound up being a high risk pregnancy. I was on bed rest for four months and basically blew my whole business up to the next level because I was literally in bed with a laptop all day, every day, because I couldn't do anything. Literally, it was legit bed rest where you can get out to use the bathroom and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the MILF Podcast. This is the show where we talk about motherhood and sexuality with amazing women with fascinating stories to share on the joys of being a MILF. Now here's your host, the MILFiest MILF I know, Jennifer Tracy.
Jennifer Tracy: Hey guys. Welcome back to the show. This is MILF podcast, the show where we talk about motherhood, entrepreneurship, and sexuality, and everything in between. I'm Jennifer Tracy your host. Couple items of business. Welcome to April. I don't know how it's already April, but it is. Last month, for March, I chose the charity of She Rises and this month is Children's Defense Fund, a beautiful organization. They've been around for a long, long time and if you want to check them out, you can go to my website, milfpodcast.com and look at my giving page. There's a nice graphic there and then you can click on it and it'll take you directly to their website.
Jennifer Tracy: If you want to donate to them directly, please do. If you would like to write a review on iTunes for MILF podcast, every iTunes review for the month of April, I will donate $25 to Children's Defense Fund. So check that out. Also, I'm doing kind of a cool thing. I decided to give away a three week class. I coach writers, I may have mentioned that. I wrote this workbook and I'm giving it away for free. You just have to go to my podcast and opt in. There's like a little pop up. It says, "Unlocked 21 day creative challenge," and there's an old timey typewriter there, you'll see it and you just put in your email and your name and you'll be sent a link with a download link for the workbook.
Jennifer Tracy: Then there'll be a little course over the next couple of weeks, so join me in that. It's going to be really fun. Along with that, my website is done, my new website, jennifertracy.com. If you're interested and you want to see what I do with writers, pop on over to that. All right, that's it. Those are all of my items of business for today. Today's guest is Rachel Rodgers. Rachel Rodgers is a total badass baller MILF. She is an intellectual property lawyer who's also a business coach. Her company, Hello Seven, works with women who want to take their six figure businesses and turn them into seven figure bigness. Yes, exactly, bigness. Seven figure businesses and she's done that incredibly successfully for seven years. So yeah, she's awesome.
Jennifer Tracy: Let's see. I really loved my conversation with Rachel. We had to meet on the Interweb because she lives in North Carolina, but we did that and it was really great. I got to see her beautiful face. Thank you. Thanks to technology and I really hope you enjoy this conversation. I really did. Okay. I'll talk to you guys after. Hi Rachel.
Rachel Rodgers: Hello. I'm so glad to talk to you.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to connect to you. This is really exciting.
Rachel Rodgers: Yay.
Jennifer Tracy: Can we start from the beginning, where are you from?
Rachel Rodgers: I'm from Flushing, Queens in New York City.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, New York girl. I love it. Yes, definitely. You were a city kid?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, I was and the funny thing is I live in the country now and now I'm like a country girl. I can't live in a city and in fact if I go visit like LA or New York, if I'm there too long, I start to get depressed. Literally after five days I'm like, "Get me out of here."
Jennifer Tracy: Interesting.
Rachel Rodgers: Like, "I need nature or water or something." I think sometimes being a mom and also a business owner, life is intense enough. I want my surroundings, my environment to be like super chill vibes.
Jennifer Tracy: I'm with you. I live in LA and I was in traffic yesterday getting to my son's basketball game, which was across town. It took me an hour and a half to get there. I missed most of the game and then I had to drive all the way back because I had a meeting at 6:45 PM and I just thought, "There's got to be a better way." I mean, I hate to talk about LA traffic as a topic, but it circles back to what you're saying about ... I live right in the middle of the city. I live in West Hollywood and I'm at an age and a place in my life where I'm like, "I think I need something different. I want to move out of LA, but I think I need to move where there's more trees and-
Rachel Rodgers: Tranquility of some kind. In LA I do feel like you can get a lot of different landscapes, so you could go high and be on a mountain somewhere or closer to the beach. I definitely think you've got options there.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes, it's available. Okay. So you grew up in Queens and then I'm just going to fast forward through a little bit of your childhood, but did you have siblings growing up?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, I have one. My sister Angela is still my best friend and also a huge pain in the ass and I love her.
Jennifer Tracy: Of course, siblings are that. They are both. Oh, and does she live in New York still?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah, she lives in New Jersey right outside of New York. So whenever I'm in New York, I see her. I just saw her a couple of weeks ago when I went to New York for the weekend. So yeah, we see each other probably more than we did when we both live like 20 minutes away just because we just both have crazy busy lives. Now, we actually make time to see each other like scheduling.
Jennifer Tracy: Then it's a nice concentrated amount of time.
Rachel Rodgers: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: You grew up there and then you went to law school?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes. And I was always the way ahead.
Jennifer Tracy: That was always the plan. Okay. Why was that? Because your parents were into like wanted you to go through academics or what was that?
Rachel Rodgers: No. Well, I mean my father also did definitely put up an emphasis on education. I remember we would get our report cards. It'd be like report card day and we'd get home from school and me and my sister and we'd kind of align up and my sister would go first and hand over her report card and either get praise or get reprimanded maybe a little bit, I suppose. But I was a huge nerd, so I always got mostly praise. I would come and he'd be in his recliner and I'd be handing over my report card. Like, "What do you think of that?" You know?
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Rachel Rodgers: Although there was always remarks that I talked too much. That was the challenge. I always was a pain in the ass for the teachers because I talked way too much and I'm like, "Look, now I talk for a living." See?
Jennifer Tracy: That's right. You're very social. Are you Gemini by chance?
Rachel Rodgers: No, I'm an Aquarius. February 16.
Jennifer Tracy: I am too. We just had a birthday happy belated birthday.
Rachel Rodgers: Thank you, thank you.
Jennifer Tracy: It was always the plan for you to go to law school, your plan?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes. Yeah. I mean I decided at eight years old, I think I was. Y
Jennifer Tracy: You did?
Rachel Rodgers: My mom used to watch courtroom dramas all the time. That was her favorite genre of entertainment, and so I would watch and the lawyers were always like the heroes in the movies. They were standing up for the little guy, and I was like, "I want to do that." I was already doing that, honestly. I remember many times in my youth standing up to bullies and my friends being like, "Will you walk with me?" Or like, "Will you say something-
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: ... basically for me?" I was always that loud mouth kid that just had no fear for whatever reason or just had courage. I wouldn't say I had no fear because I definitely had times where I was scared, but I was just always willing to be like, "No, this is unacceptable." So-
Jennifer Tracy: Can you tell me one story from your childhood where you stood up to a bully for yourself or for someone else?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah, it was actually for someone I didn't even know. We were all how school lets out and all the kids are going in their separate ways. But I had a route that I walked where, three quarters of the route I was with a bunch of kids, everybody was going in that direction. I'm walking with some friends and I don't really remember what grade I was in, but I was pretty young. I mean, I still remember it vividly. I could see it now. It's crazy. But it must've been probably maybe third grade or something like that or maybe fourth grade somewhere in there. We're walking home, and these two kids had this other younger kid who was probably in my grade and these guys were probably sixth graders, maybe even seventh graders, which seem so big and-
Jennifer Tracy: Huge.
Rachel Rodgers: ... for third grader. But anyway, they had him up against a wall and they were telling him like, "Give us your backpack," or something like that of his that they wanted to take and all these kids are just walking by letting it happen. I'm going with my friends and then like a couple of kids sort of crowd around to watch and I was like, "No, don't do that. Stop that." I started yelling at them and then they turned towards me and probably were pretty surprised that like, "Who's this tiny little thing? Who does she think she is?"
Rachel Rodgers: I just yelled at them and I even pushed one away a little bit and then other kids started getting involved and we were all yelling at them and then they ran off. Then somebody was walking with a parent across the street and then the parent came over and they ran off when they saw there's an adult nearby. But yeah, that was just one incident. But there were so many like that. I mean, I don't even remember them all. It's that bad, and it was all through like junior high school, high school-
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: ... even. First of all, there's a lot of fighting in New York City schools when at least when I was growing up kids fight over the stupidest things and there's a lot of jealousy that can happen or kids just want to ... they say they'll meme afterschool, blah, blah, blah and I'd always be like, "I'll see you there."
Jennifer Tracy: You were a scrapper, I love it.
Rachel Rodgers: I was, and I mean I would be literally terrified, but they would never know it. I would never let them know it and I would show up and sometimes a lot of times they wouldn't. A lot of times just standing up for yourself is actually enough. If you just show yourself as somebody who is willing to fight back, people back off and so that happened a lot of times, but I definitely had some bites too. I mean, quite a few.
Jennifer Tracy: I saw that.
Rachel Rodgers: Like knock down, drag out like fist fights.
Jennifer Tracy: Like fistfights yes. Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: Boys, girls.
Jennifer Tracy: Well, and what I love about your story, one of the many, many things I love about it is that you were a younger girl standing up to these boys.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. It's like basically story of my life.
Jennifer Tracy: Right? It's us against the patriarchy, right?
Rachel Rodgers: Exactly.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. I love that. You were a leader from a young age. It sounds like you-
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: That it just came to you organically.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. I remember even getting into a fight over my sister one time, like literally a fistfight because some girl threatened her and threw a glass of water or something at her and I was like, "Hell no." I picked up something, I don't even remember what it was and threw it at her in response and she probably didn't expect that because she was staring at my sister. She didn't see me on the side there. Then the girl came to my house. After the event happened, she came to my house and rang the bell and was like, "Come outside."
Rachel Rodgers: I was like, "Okay." Put on my sneakers, went downstairs and this woman was ... she was older than me significantly and me and her were fist fighting in the lobby of my bed right now.
Jennifer Tracy: Where were your parents when this was happening?
Rachel Rodgers: My mom, I think she was upstairs in my apartment. She probably didn't know what was happening or I think she must have gotten wind of it and eventually made her way downstairs and that's probably when it stopped. But I mean this is like after-
Jennifer Tracy: Which is commonplace.
Rachel Rodgers: This is inner city drama. Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: Got it.
Rachel Rodgers: Honestly, there are a lot of my friends, my husband even, they have way scarier stories. I remember I was telling this to my therapist one time and she was like ... her eyes were all big as I was unpacking all of these stories for my childhood. She's like, "Holy crap." I'm like, "This is like so normal where I come from." I don't think of it as like, "Oh, poor me, I was bullied." That's not what I think of at all. In fact, it makes me feel a little bit empowered because I was always standing up for myself. Pretty much all the fights I had, almost all of them were with people that were bigger than me because they thought that they were going to intimidate me and I was just like, "I'm not having it. You got the right one today."
Jennifer Tracy: I love it.
Rachel Rodgers: I think that's just how I roll in general anyway. I think that there's something in me that always just was about, I guess, justice in some way and not letting people take advantage. I don't know. It probably comes from my dad, but I'm just kind of like, "Nope, not having it."
Jennifer Tracy: I love that. I love that. Then you went to law school and what was your focus in law school?
Rachel Rodgers: In law school, my focus was becoming a lawyer. I really had no idea what kind of law I wanted to practice. I mean, I think I thought I would work for a nonprofit or something. I remember after my first year of law school, my sister sitting me down and she had me actually meet her. A friend of hers was like a neighbor, an older black woman who ... I don't know if she was an attorney, but she was a professional and very successful woman of some kind. I can't remember all the details, but they took me to lunch and they were like, "We want to talk to you about how you need to make money, " which is hilarious like who I am now.
Jennifer Tracy: Because that's what you basically do know on a huge level for women. That's hysterical.
Rachel Rodgers: Back then I was like, "No, I just want to work for a nonprofit and help people." And they were like, "Honey, you need to get this money." Then once I had that conversation, I was like, "All right, let me think about that." Then as my law school loans piled up, I remember at the end like the last semester of law school, they put you all like all the people who are about to graduate in a room and then they hand out basically a piece of paper with how much you owe now based on your student loans.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my God.
Rachel Rodgers: It's pretty horrifying. I was like, "Holy crap." I don't think I was ... I don't know. I bet you this happens to a lot of law students because you're just so focused on like, "I got to get the grades, I got to do the internships. I got to interview-
Jennifer Tracy: Sure.
Rachel Rodgers: .... for the jobs." I was flying all over the country interviewing at various firms. You're just so trying to make the things that you're supposed to happen happen. You're trying to check all the boxes and it's not easy. It's very competitive so that you're not even thinking about how much it's costing you, like these three years of law school has cost you. I had scholarship money too. I had-
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: ... scholarships every year and it's still as an enormous sums. So I was like, "Yeah, I'm going to need a job. I'm going to get money." I clerked for a judge for a year and then after that I actually started my own practice, but I really was like, "I need to figure out law firm or something else, but I have to figure out a way to pay off these damn loans." First of all, now I'm in the hole, so how do I get back to zero? Then once I get back to zero, how do I build from there? I always was going to be somebody that helps people, but I needed to find a way to make it work for me too.
Jennifer Tracy: You started your own law firm and how old were you when you did that? I mean, a year off after law school?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. So I must have been-
Jennifer Tracy: That's impressive.
Rachel Rodgers: What am I? I'm in year nine of ... I started my practice in 2010. How old was I then? I was 28. I was 28 when I started my law practice.
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: I went to law school, clerked for a judge for a year. It's only one year and then they kick you out after because they have another Locklear coming in. It's a prestigious experience and it's usually a good ... I had several job offers from that clerkship, but I didn't want any of them because to be honest, law school was a little bit traumatic for me. Once it was done, I was just kind of like, "I think I'm done with these people and almost all done suffering for this profession." I have to do it in a way that's going to work for me that allows me to be myself and be free. If I can't do that, then I can't be a lawyer. So might as well find that out now. By the time I finished that clerkship, I was starting my practice.
Jennifer Tracy: What kind of clients were you getting at your practice?
Rachel Rodgers: Well, what-
Jennifer Tracy: What kind of cases? I'm sorry.
Rachel Rodgers: What I did was I just emailed basically everyone that I know, every coworker, every law school classmate, my parents' friends, my aunts, and uncle, everybody I know wound up being about 100 people and said, "Hey, I'm starting a law practice. Here's the kind of work that I do. If you need this kind of help or know anyone that does, please let me know." Through that I got my first three clients, which were all entrepreneurs. I was like, "Okay, I'll serve entrepreneurs. Done."
Rachel Rodgers: I was doing mostly transactional work like forming businesses, drafting contracts for licensing deals, and things like that. One of my friends bought a hair salon, so I drafted the contract for that transaction. It was just things like that, forming businesses and that kind of thing.
Jennifer Tracy: How long after you started this firm did you start to formulate the idea for your current company?
Rachel Rodgers: It's interesting because I was only probably a year into practicing law when I had it ... the way that I did it was unique. I didn't want to a brick and mortar business. I didn't want to have a physical office because I didn't want to be stuck anywhere. I had just spent like four years in college, three years in law school. I wanted to be free. To give you an example, like when all of my classmates were taking the bar, I was in Thailand with my husband, my brand new husband backpacking for three weeks, or actually seven weeks, seven weeks.
Rachel Rodgers: In Thailand, we went to Hong Kong and we were just traveling for like almost two months. Then I took the bar in January instead of doing it in July when all of my classmates were doing it. Anyhow, I have a rebellious nature, as you can see.
Jennifer Tracy: I love it.
Rachel Rodgers: Everybody's doing that, fuck that. I don't want to do that.
Jennifer Tracy: I love it.
Rachel Rodgers: So, anyhow. I think about a year into my practice, what happened was I created a virtual law office. I was practicing online and there was this new software that allowed you to have basically bank level security in your conversations with clients, right? That's probably pretty commonplace now. But back then that was like pretty new. I use this technology and was like, "I'm going to start a practice and live anywhere that I want." We actually moved to California. At that time, we were living in San Luis Obispo for about a year and we moved around a lot those years.
Rachel Rodgers: During that whole time, I was running my practice, same set of clients because it was all transactional. It didn't need to be in person and I didn't have to show up to court. So it worked out. Because I was doing that and because it was a unique way to practice law, I got a ton of press. I got some really nice national media. Because of that, all these attorneys were following me and they would say like, "Hey, teach us how to set up a virtual law practice like you have."
Rachel Rodgers: One of my friends who was like a mentor to me, Pam Slim, she wrote the book, Escape from Cubicle Nation and she wrote another book, Body of Work. But she was somebody who was a mentor to me. She said to me, "All these people are coming to you. You need to collect some money."
Jennifer Tracy: I love that. That's a theme in your life. Women coming to me like, "Girlfriend and you need to get paid." We need more of that. I mean, I wish I've had more of that.
Rachel Rodgers: Yes and now I'm that woman.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes you are. Yes you are.
Rachel Rodgers: I was like, "Okay, I'm going to start charging for this." I would charge whatever, a consultation fee, a couple 100 bucks if somebody wanted to talk to me and I would just basically talk to them, get on the phone with them and tell them everything that I did. Pam came back to me again and was like, "Why don't you create a course or a program, follow these people that are coming to you. They can all do a program." I was like, "Oh, I can create my own course?" I took her class, teaching me basically how to create a class because she's an instructional designer. I learned how do you create a course?
Rachel Rodgers: I've figured that out and I launched a course like how to set up a virtual law practice and I had 37 lawyers sign up for this class. I say all that to say while I was practicing law and building my law practice, even then I was also still teaching other people about how to start businesses. But it wasn't clear to me that I was a business coach or that I should be or could be a business coach until probably like six years later. In fact, Liz ... speaking of Liz Dennery Sanders who we both love. Actually, I met her in my first year of practicing law. We both went to an event that was run by Pam slim and totally hit it off. She was saying to me like, "You need to create a course or something where people can learn how to do this legal stuff and you can make a bunch of money from it without actually like giving over your time."
Rachel Rodgers: She told me to do that years before. But I didn't until ... What you do with all good advice, you wait four years to accept it.
Jennifer Tracy: Totally.
Rachel Rodgers: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: You have three kids with your husband and then you have a step son?
Rachel Rodgers: Daughter.
Jennifer Tracy: It's step daughter, sorry. Okay. So you have four kids?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: You started on that journey somewhere in the middle of all that-
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: ... you started having babies?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. I had my stepdaughter who lived with us at times and she'd be with us for the summer. The schedule was constantly-
Jennifer Tracy: Sure.
Rachel Rodgers: ... one year, we were doing one thing. As they grow, you adjust, right?
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Rachel Rodgers: She was with us at times and then six months after starting my law practice. In fact, funny story on the way home from the event that I went to in Arizona where I met Liz Dennery Sanders, literally on the way home I realized that I was pregnant. I got home and I was like, "I need to go to a drug store and get a pregnancy test." I did that and found out that I was pregnant. Literally six months into starting my business-
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: I found out I was pregnant with my daughter.
Jennifer Tracy: Were you guys planning it, were you talking about it?
Rachel Rodgers: Hell, no. Listen, we planned nothing when it comes to children. Every single one of them was a surprise. It was like, "Surprise, you're pregnant. Surprise again, you're pregnant again." Great at business planning, I'm terrible at family planning apparently.
Jennifer Tracy: Wow. Okay. Six months into this new business, you still have your legal firm and you're now pregnant?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, and it was actually after that point that I started teaching other lawyers and so it was actually during my pregnancy. That summer, I had worked on creating a class and then I launched it in September and it's so funny. Launched it, made a bunch of money, which at the time was like, I don't know, $4,000 I think I made from selling of course because it was like 200 bucks a person, which is insane for what I was teaching them. But one of the women actually who took my class way back then, she came to an event that I did last year and told me she made $400,000 in her law practice from what I taught her. She had-
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: ... $400,000 year law practice from what I taught her way back then. Isn't that crazy? I was like, "That is the best story ever."
Jennifer Tracy: That's amazing.
Rachel Rodgers: I love it.
Jennifer Tracy: That's amazing.
Rachel Rodgers: But anyway, so I made like $4,000 which was enough to pay my cheap ass for like four months. I was like, "Great, maternity leave done." That's why I did it. But my daughter came two weeks early in the middle of the class.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my God.
Rachel Rodgers: Literally, I was like, "Class is canceled I'm in labor."
Jennifer Tracy: Oh, my God.
Rachel Rodgers: I had to push it back two weeks. I was like, "Okay, no class for two weeks and then we'll come back and finish the last two lessons." I was there teaching my class with my three week old on the boob and I'm teaching the class.
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: It was hilarious. This has been my journey. Just figure it out, make it work the whole way through and that's what it's been. So, yeah. Now we have a nanny, I have a personal assistant. Now I have a bigger house. I have all kinds of help and stuff that I'm ... It's pure luxury because this is not start out this way. Not at all.
Jennifer Tracy: Interesting. Well, and your husband is also extremely supportive, you've talked about that.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: That you guys have a really great ... you're a great team.
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, for sure. He's basically like the opposite of me in almost every way, which is hilarious. But yeah, he's supportive and several times throughout this journey, he's worked at times, he's been in school at times while I've been building this law practice and my business beyond that. There were a few times where I literally talked to him into quitting his job because I was like, "Listen" ... Literally, I had my daughter Riley and just celebrated one year in business in September, and then she was born October, 2011.
Rachel Rodgers: Then the following year, now we're in October, 2012 and it's my daughter's birthday the next day. I was like, "Something's not right. I feel weird." I'm like, "I can't be that I'm pregnant," but let me just take a test just to be sure. Sure enough, I'm pregnant.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my gosh. Oh my God.
Rachel Rodgers: I literally didn't tell my husband. I had to sit on that for 24 hour to process this because it can't be real.
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: So yeah. So then I was pregnant again in year two of my business at that point. That wound up being a high risk pregnancy. I was on bed rest for four months and basically blew my whole business up to the next level because I was literally in bed with a laptop all day every day because I couldn't do anything. Literally, it was like legit bedrest where you can get out to use the bathroom and that's pretty much it. My husband had to do everything including take care of my daughter.
Rachel Rodgers: I remember every evening, she would come in after being at preschool for a few hours, she would come in and we'd watch Bones together. That's appropriate. We're like an 18 month old, but I just remember we would watch bones, the music would come on, she's dancing to the music, she would fall asleep like five, 10 minutes into it, anyway. But we would just watch TV on my laptop in bed after I worked all day. But because I needed the distraction because a high risk pregnancy, first of all, you're worried about your baby.
Jennifer Tracy: Sure.
Rachel Rodgers: Then of course you can't do anything. I just use that time to like, "Okay, I'm going to write presentations and I'm going to write blog posts." I just did everything that I could think of in terms of marketing, whenever I had time because I didn't have ... I had clients and I've got the work done for them too if I had more time. That's what I wound up doing with my time and my business I think at five X that year.
Jennifer Tracy: How did the rest of the and birth go?
Rachel Rodgers: It was fine. He came early. Riley was two weeks early, my son Jackson was four weeks early.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh, wow.
Rachel Rodgers: He came early and then we wanted to move back to New Jersey because we had a house there. We were like, "Let's go back to Jersey, live in our house, kick out our tenants." That's what we did. I created a digital product during that time. I mean, that was like probably the most productive year of my life.
Jennifer Tracy: That's incredible and two babies. For me, I'll speak for myself, and this is just so interesting. When I had my son, and this is part of what the birthing of the podcast was, I was so stuck. I had postpartum depression. It went undiagnosed for two and a half years. That was because I didn't know that I had it and I didn't ask for help, but if I would've, I would've gotten treatment, but I could barely function just on the day to day. I'm divorced now. My husband at the time was out of the country, out of town, and then out of the country, so I was alone.
Jennifer Tracy: But more than that, I just didn't have ... And then once my son was in preschool and I had also gotten treatment for the postpartum and I was in therapy and stuff, I was ready to be productive again and I started working. I was a bookkeeper at the time and then I started writing a novel, I hired a writing coach. I was like, "I'm going to write a novel." I was like, "Wow, where's this woman been?" For me, what's interesting is listening to you talk in your experience is that here you are with a baby at the breast and birthing another one, and you're just full on creating this business.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: That is so impressive to me. I love how you ... Just in talking, you're just in the last 30 minutes. You just have a very ... This is such an old fashioned phrase, but like a very can do attitude. You see something you want and you're like, "No, I'm going to do that."
Rachel Rodgers: Oh, yeah. I have a baby breastfeeding and there's one that's ... I can't get out of the bed because he might come out too early, but I'm still going to do it.
Jennifer Tracy: That is amazing.
Rachel Rodgers: Well, to be honest, I think part of it is like necessity. I felt like, okay, the sense of urgency and responsibility to take care of these children. I remember I still had that pile of law school loans, so I really didn't ... and I was the breadwinner for my family. My husband was in school at the time and working part time jobs while he was in school, finishing his Bachelor's Degree in Economics.
Rachel Rodgers: I was kind of like, "It's on me." Also two, I already had this thing going and it was working and it was making money. I was like, "The last thing I want to do is lose momentum." I literally don't think it ever occurred to me like, "Oh, maybe you should stop working." I think it never even crossed my mind like that, that, that was something I could think about doing.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay. You're killing it, you're a mom, you have this business. I mean really, you're still ... Are you still practicing law?
Rachel Rodgers: I'm still practicing law.
Jennifer Tracy: At this point?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. The reason why I'm laughing when you say killing it is because I had my baby, he was a great, he was literally born one day shy of full term, literally.
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: 35 weeks and six days.
Jennifer Tracy: Wow.
Rachel Rodgers: So he hung on. Then we were like, "Let's move back home." We moved across the country to New Jersey. We moved back into our house. Our house was a disaster from the tenants, so we had to have carpet picked up and things removed. It was devastating when I walked back into my house. We had to have a whole bunch of work done that we really wasn't planning on, and I have launched this product, small business bodyguard super successful launch. We made $80,000 from the first week of sales, which was great. All of this is happening and then on the other side of that launch, we move into our house and I have basically ... I don't want to say a nervous breakdown, but something close to that where I'm holding it together for all this time.
Rachel Rodgers: Us women, it's almost like, "Let me schedule. What would be a good time for me to have a nervous breakdown? Can't do it now because I'm pregnant. Can't do it right now because I got to launch this product but we're moving so there's no time for nervous breakdown, Rachel." But as soon as all that was over and we were in our house, it was like ... I literally called my assistant sobbing and said like, "I need you to play on my schedule for the next month. I can't, I can't. I just can't do anything." I couldn't think because I had all these clients to serve too and some of it ... Especially with transactional work, there's a lot of starting things and then waiting a couple of weeks for things to develop and then you move one thing forward and then you're waiting another month, so it was that kind of thing.
Rachel Rodgers: I had put off taking action on a few things, not in a way that harmed the client, but it was just kind of like, "You have a little bit of wiggle room when you're practicing law anyway." I had all this stuff waiting for me to do and I was just like, "I can't do any of it. I can't even handle a phone call." I remember we had a dispute we were handling during that time and the other attorney was such an asshole and it was just like all of it. I was just like, "No, I just don't have the mental capacity to do it. I don't know what to tell you."
Rachel Rodgers: There was nothing else I could say. I told my assistant, she called my law school classmate who had helped me out before, during maternity leave and was like, "Hey, can you handle all of this stuff?" I paid him, I think half of what I ... He was just starting his practice. I paid him half of all of the fees and he just handled things and I just had a mental month of edge laying on the couch watching Downton Abbey.
Jennifer Tracy: You needed some downtime. You've been running a marathon.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah, and my husband and I went to-
Jennifer Tracy: Giving birth to two children.
Rachel Rodgers: Oh my God, it was bananas. I remember during that time people would always say to me, like, "You're amazing. I can't believe all you've accomplished. You're super woman." I remember every time ... Super woman is like my trigger word because everybody, every time someone would mention it and I'd be like, "But I don't want to be super woman. I don't want to have to work this hard. I don't want it to be this challenging."
Rachel Rodgers: I don't even think I thought like, "Oh, this is painful." Or, "Oh, this is a challenge." It's almost like I just kept going until I realized can't go anymore and then I'm like [inaudible 00:36:44]. I really needed to learn and that's the thing I think that I lacked and I don't think my mom had really good practices with this. I really needed to learn how to take really good care of myself. I've heard it put this way that especially as an entrepreneur or if you're the breadwinner for your family, you have to see yourself almost like a thoroughbred or an athlete, right? You need to take care of yourself at that level because you're like a prize winning horse, right?
Rachel Rodgers: You are capable of generating a lot of money and taking care of a lot of people. In order to do that, you got to take care of yourself first. That was a lesson that I needed to learn and I didn't necessarily learn it that year. But what I did do was I hired my first associate in my law practice and I made my part time assistant full time because I was like, "Can't go on like this."I used a lot of the money that I had made from my small business bodyguard launch to cover the cost of bringing on an associate and an assistant. Then we were like, "Okay, now it's a real business. Now, I don't have to do everything."
Rachel Rodgers: I also went to marriage counseling during that time because my husband was like, "I feel like we haven't talked and haven't connected in a really long time," and he was feeling neglected. I was kind of like, "Okay, I broke everything." Let's [inaudible 00:38:12]. Or basically we collectively broke everything, honestly.
Jennifer Tracy: Sure.
Rachel Rodgers: Let's rebuild it all now. Luckily, because I had been hustling, I had the capital to have a nervous breakdown. A lot of cash in the bank. I've got some time. Ladies, when you're scheduling your nervous breakdown, if you can do it after at least even a small windfall-
Jennifer Tracy: Exactly.
Rachel Rodgers: ... that's optimal.
Jennifer Tracy: That would be ideal.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah, I mean it's true though.
Jennifer Tracy: We talked about this and I've talked about this in the show. It is really helpful to have those resources. I think we're in a time now where ... And I love this theme in your life of other women saying to you, "You can do this for yourself. You can make this money for yourself." F or me, I was not told that growing up. I was told, "Marry a wealthy man." I didn't do that. I married a man I fell deeply in love with who wasn't wealthy, but it didn't matter. I didn't have that belief system set in place of like, "Oh, even though I'm a woman, I'm fully capable of, making a lot of money," because I've switched a lot of that now, obviously like running my own business, and having the show, and being a single parent now is that the share quote? My mom told me to marry a rich man and I said, "Mom, I am a rich man."
Rachel Rodgers: Oh God, I love it so much.
Jennifer Tracy: I love it too. I love it too. We're seeing more of that I think, but I think we have a long way to go. How do you feel about that because you have daughters?
Rachel Rodgers: Oh, I'm all about it and I teach them that it's important to prioritize making money because really money is a resource, creates the ability to take care of yourself. So yeah, it's so funny because my daughter ... It's the cutest thing. She would make little things like make art. She made like a little sculpture. She would make a picture that she painted and then she would go around the house and it was the cutest thing. She likes set it up in a little wagon, all of her things that she had to sell bracelets and things she made. This is at six years old, she's doing this and so she's taking her little wagon around and she's like, "This thing is a dollar. This thing is a dollar 50, this one's 50 cents."
Rachel Rodgers: I remember her coming back to me sobbing and saying, "No one wants to buy my stuff." She was devastated that no one would buy anything. She made a book. I think it was the cutest thing. I said, "We have to do a good job of conveying value if we want people to buy our stuff. Let me teach you about marketing right now." Then I bought one of her books or whatever. She really understands it and it's so funny. One time I came into her room, she's sitting on her bed counting her money. She has like $17 and she thinks she's rich and they're all singles that she got from the tooth fairy, from cleaning a room and getting paid a dollar or cleaning up living room or whatever.
Jennifer Tracy: Sure.
Rachel Rodgers: She's got $17, she's got a wallet and every now and then she takes it out and she count it. She saved that $17 for like a year.
Jennifer Tracy: That's adorable.
Rachel Rodgers: She need to get extra work so she can build it.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, she needs to build it, invest it, get some interest payments on it.
Rachel Rodgers: Throw your nest egg.
Jennifer Tracy: But that's so true. It feels good to have that earning, just know that you have that earning capacity for yourself and you can be self supporting and self sustaining.
Rachel Rodgers: That you should be proud of your money, and you should be proud of making money, and it's not anything to feel shame about because I think with women it's kind of like we all need to be altruistic. Yes, I help people 100% but I also deserve to get paid for the value of my work. I think we under charge for our services and I think that is pervasive in our society. That's something that I'm setting out to change, and that's why I'm so vocal about how much I'm making. I always talk to women about their money. Like, "Know your money, look at your money, love it, roll around in it."
Rachel Rodgers: You need to know these things because that's how you get more of it, and there's no shame in being successful because that's essentially what society tells us. You should feel ashamed for wanting money or talking about money or whatever. I'm like-
Jennifer Tracy: If you're a woman.
Rachel Rodgers: Well, only if you're-
Jennifer Tracy: To if you're a man.
Rachel Rodgers: ... a man. If you're a man, you should be exceedingly proud. I'm like, "Nope. No thank you."
Jennifer Tracy: You're saying in true Rachel form, everyone else is doing that. Fuck that.
Rachel Rodgers: [crosstalk 00:43:07]. Exactly right.
Jennifer Tracy: I think we need t-shirts that say that. Currently, I want to hear, well, three things. You had another baby.
Rachel Rodgers: I did.
Jennifer Tracy: How old is the baby now?
Rachel Rodgers: He is eight months.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my God. He's just-
Rachel Rodgers: I know.
Jennifer Tracy: ... so little. So yummy. That's amazing. You have Million Dollar Badass and Hello Seven is the name of-
Rachel Rodgers: Hello Seven.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, that's the name of the company and million dollar-
Rachel Rodgers: The company's name.
Jennifer Tracy: ... bad ass is the mastermind and the podcast. I want to hear about the company and how you help women because I've gotten the chance to meet some of the women in person at your events here in Los Angeles. That was really amazing. Can you tell me how that came about? How you birthed that-
Rachel Rodgers: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: ... and what it's like now doing that business and inspiring so many hundreds and hundreds and thousands of women really?
Rachel Rodgers: I ran my law practice for about seven years and slowly realized that being behind a computer and drafting contracts is probably not the best use of my talent and also I would just stopped enjoying it. I wanted to transition into coaching because I felt like I was doing a lot of that, but doing it for free. I was like, I had a legal client, they'd come to me, I'd give them advice about how to grow their business. They'd use that advice. They'd make more money and I'd be like, "I feel like I should be charging for this."
Rachel Rodgers: I eventually decided that that's what I was going to do, and so I took a coaching certification just so I could learn more and just have more tools. Then started to transition my business, started winding down the law practice, taking less and less clients, not renewing clients who were up for renewal, and then started taking on coaching clients. I kind of wound one down while wanting the other up. I did all kinds of coaching. I did a retreat in France, I did one day, like VIP days, and one on one coaching group coaching, all of these things. I exhausted myself doing way too much as per usual, that's also [inaudible 00:45:22]. Then I was like, "There's got to be a better way."
Rachel Rodgers: Then I realized, what I really wanted to do was serve the segment of the market that I feel like is getting underserved, which is women entrepreneurs that are at 100K in revenue, which is like the holy grail, get to six figures. But they realize that actually 100K is not that much money. It doesn't go as far as it used to, and now they want to get to seven figures. I feel like it's basically a no man's land. There is no business training for women entrepreneurs, especially for women entrepreneurs who want to scale from six figures to seven figures. All of the training out there is all men.
Rachel Rodgers: It's all not only all men, it's all white men that are teaching. You go into these spaces where there's these events or part of these communities where you're the only woman or you're one of three and if you're a person of color, a woman of color, especially you're the only. I mean, this is out of groups of hundreds of people. You're the only woman of color. It's pathetic. It really is ridiculous. Of course, with that comes, racist comments, sexist stupid comments, joke after joke. People say things like, let's hear some lady wins as if that's different from a regular win.
Jennifer Tracy: No, are you serious? A lady wins? That is so offensive.
Rachel Rodgers: Listen. It's like every day. It's almost like you don't even see it because it's so constant. But it's like these are the spaces that women who want advanced business strategy are going into because there's no other options.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. That's all that's available.
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. I was like, fuck that. I'm going to create another option. My law practice was that 700,000 when I stopped practicing law. Then, you know, as we were building out the coaching, our first year doing focused on coaching, we did a million. I knew how to teach, how to hit those kinds of numbers, and I knew what strategies worked. I decided that I was going to create a mastermind just for women that we were going to specifically recruit women of color to be a part of this, that it was going to be a diverse community, and inclusive for us and by us.
Rachel Rodgers: That's what I set out to create, and it was such a need. People find us and they're like, "Oh, thank God." It's been an absolute delight, and we've had several of our clients hit a million, and pretty much every single one. Literally, I don't think I have a client who's not making bank compared to what they were making before they started the program. We've just had huge success with it, and I love it so much. Honestly, it's the hardest work I've ever done. It's way harder than practicing law. There's so much emotion that you're dealing with and people, sometimes, they see their business as themselves. If business isn't going well, then they're judging themselves as a bad person. Women can be very hard on themselves.
Rachel Rodgers: It's challenging work, but it's also very meaningful and very rewarding. When women are making more money, they are investing in their children, they are investing in their communities, they are making the world a better place. I feel like I'm contributing to making the world a better place by helping all these women make things. That is my personal mission in life and I freaky love it. So-
Jennifer Tracy: So awesome. So awesome. Now you have a podcast also, can you tell us about the podcast?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah. The podcast is called Million Dollar Badass. What I wanted to do was I felt like there's not ... Again, when you listen to podcast about business, it's all white men and there's some women, but not a lot. Even the women, it's like all white women, every interview is either a white man or a white woman, but mostly white men. I was just like, fuck that. There are very accomplished women of color that are making millions that need to be like acknowledged and we need to hear their stories. I feel like women need to hear their stories. They need to see more women like them accomplishing these big goals, and so that's what I wanted to do.
Rachel Rodgers: I was like, "We are going to interview women of color making $1 million or more." Million Dollar Badass is basically ... We have white women on the podcast too. But to me it's like we're going to have a lot of women of color because I feel like we need to show the world that they exist. Actually, our first episode was really about Madam C J Walker, who was the first female millionaire in America was a black woman. I was like, "The world needs to know this woman's story and there's like not enough talk about her. We need to talk about her the same way we talk about MLK." And we don't.
Rachel Rodgers: Anyway, so I actually heard her ... I think it's her great, great, great, granddaughter was on the podcast.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh, that's so cool.
Rachel Rodgers: I happened to have a connection with her from one of my former clients went to Harvard with her. She's a historian of Madam C J Walker. She wrote a book about her and they're actually developing a Netflix series, About Our Souls. That was my first episode. Everybody loved it. It's just been great, and it's just really to tell stories of amazing women who are making bank so that other women can get inspired and realize that is 100% possible for all of us if we want it.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, I love that. Just for my listeners, we're going to be including a link to Rachel's podcast in the show notes so you can find her there. Then also, can you say the name of your website just so ... we'll have it in the show notes, but can you say it?
Rachel Rodgers: Yeah, it's helloseven.co.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay, great. Oh my gosh, this always happens. I could talk to you for another hour, but-
Rachel Rodgers: I know.
Jennifer Tracy: ... I usually have a limited amount of time, but I'm going to ... You're just so delightful, and I'm going to go ahead and start the question round.
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, this sounds fun.
Jennifer Tracy: The first question, Rachel, is what do you think about when you hear the word MILF?
Rachel Rodgers: What a great question. What do I think ... Is the my honest answer of my PC-
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, of course. No, no, no. There's no need to be PC here.
Rachel Rodgers: Well, what I think about is ... Who was that movie that it's from?
Jennifer Tracy: American Pie.
Rachel Rodgers: That's exactly ... I think about American Pie. But then I also think about what I think about is moms who are hot, like moms who ... And what I think of is not just like hot in the terms of whatever stupid frat boys think is hot. What I'm referring to, like moms who take care of themselves look good, feel good, who exude that kind of confidence. That's what I-
Jennifer Tracy: Moms that you think are hot?
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, exactly. Exactly. Who think themselves are hot.
Jennifer Tracy: That's right. That's right.
Rachel Rodgers: That's really what it's about. Because when you have that confidence, you're just-
Jennifer Tracy: It's sexy.
Rachel Rodgers: Exactly. It's very attractive. It doesn't matter what you look like, there's not a size and that's really what I want women to know because I think sometimes women think like, "Oh I have to look just like this or just like whatever playboy model." The reality is that if we all looked exactly the same, it would be very, very boring, and there's beauty in every size and every representation of the body. I always tell my clients like you've got to ... I encourage them to exercise because of the mental stimulation that happens. You feel good.
Jennifer Tracy: There's [inaudible 00:53:14] goals that are released. I guess just a chemistry thing. It's not even about losing inches or anything.
Rachel Rodgers: Absolutely.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, it is.
Rachel Rodgers: I tell them that all the time like, "Fuck losing weight. Who gives a shit? Let's do this for our mental health."
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm so with you. I've talked about this in the show too, but I do pole dancing at a class.
Rachel Rodgers: Oh, I love that. Awesome.
Jennifer Tracy: It's so fun. When you come to LA, you'll have to come to a class. I mean, it's in a dark room with no mirrors. It's all women.
Rachel Rodgers: Wow. How brilliant.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh, it's so brilliant. It's Sheila Kelly's studio and really it's women of all sizes and ages and shapes. It's really taught me because we witness each other dancing in this space. So like you are the mirror. If you're dancing, I'm the mirror for you, like cheering you on and you start to feel this inner sexy that has nothing to do with an actual mirror or the size of your ass or the size of anything on your body.
Jennifer Tracy: It's really just about this feeling and feeling the curves of your body and your femininity and-
Rachel Rodgers: I love that.
Jennifer Tracy: ... admiring how beautiful that is in each and every single woman that grace the doors at that. It's so amazing to see women empowered in their sensuality and emboldened to be like, "Fuck yeah, I'm sexy." I love it so much and it's just really ... If I could give that to every woman in the world, wave a magic wand and just ... I mean, we have to all earn it. I would hope that we can maybe in future generations of girls have that thing of like, "No, it's not about looking like the stupid billboard with the Wet Republic Bikini's and the tank shooting out." But you probably don't have that in North Carolina.
Rachel Rodgers: We have our own versions trust me.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my God. It's ridiculous. I'm digressing. What is something, Rachel, that you changed your mind about recently?
Rachel Rodgers: I think the thing that I've changed my mind about thinking of working out is pilates randomly enough.
Jennifer Tracy: In what sense?
Rachel Rodgers: Well, because I've tried pilates before and I was like, "This is super hard and it's not for me." I used to think that I couldn't do challenging fitness things. That wasn't for me. I'll go for a walk or whatever. I'm too evolved, I'm too intellectual to care about hardcore fitness or whatever. After I had my son Jack I was like, "I want to do pl Lottie's cause I wanted to get my strength back. I don't know, I just wanted to challenge myself and I was like, "Let me try it." Because what I realized is I don't like lifting weights. I don't like working out. That's like too exciting.
Rachel Rodgers: It's almost like living in the country like what we talked about at the beginning. It's like when I work out I needed to be more relaxing and chill vibes. I was like, "Let me try pilates." I tried pilates reformer. By the way, just to bring this full circle, this is also advice, Liz Dennery Sanders gave me freaking eight years ago that I finally decided to take. She been doing pilates reformer for years and she's like, "It's the best thing ever." I'm obsessed. I go three times a week and I love it.
Jennifer Tracy: That's incredible. It produces results of feel amazing.
Rachel Rodgers: Yes, I feel amazing. I'm like, "Yo, I am a fucking bad ass."
Jennifer Tracy: Yes, you are. It's hard. That shit is hard. I went this morning and pilates teacher Danno is no joke and you know this because you do place. He'd be like, "Okay, so lay on your stomach and do this." It will be on the reformer and we have the straps are not straps, but it's like, "Do this movement." Literally, it's a movement of like an inch.
Rachel Rodgers: Those are the ones.
Jennifer Tracy: I'm screaming. I did this story on Instagram because I was like, "I want to show people what this is really like." I did this montage a couple of weeks ago of me screaming in different positions in philosophy I pilates. It could look in a snapshot lik, "Oh look at this elegant pose." And it's like, "No, it is not like that. It is me screaming in just agony. How many laps?"
Rachel Rodgers: I know seriously the worst word to hear in pilates is pulse. I'm like, "No Bitch."
Jennifer Tracy: Then you leave and you're like, "Oh my God, my legs feel stronger and I feel energized.'
Rachel Rodgers: It's the best thing ever. I'm obsessed. I love it.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay. How do you define success?
Rachel Rodgers: You know what? I think I defined success as just feeling good and happy every day. I think if I have too many days where I'm like, "I'm feeling run down, I'm feeling overwhelmed, I'm feeling cranky." If I'm not feeling joyful every day, then I'm like, "What do I need to change?" Then I make some adjustments. Sometimes it's like I need to hire some more help or I need to stop committing to something that I committed to that sucks and I stop doing that or whatever. I need to have a hard conversation with somebody I have a relationship with, right? Or I need to take better care of myself, whatever it is. But I don't like to go ... If I find myself going a whole week where every day I'm just kind of like, "Fuck that. What needs to change?"
Jennifer Tracy: That's what the t-shirts going to say, "Fuck that. I'm doing something different." It'll say one on the front and one in the back. I love it. Okay. We're going to go into the lightening round. So Ocean or desert?
Rachel Rodgers: Ocean.
Jennifer Tracy: Favorite junk food?
Rachel Rodgers: Chocolate.
Jennifer Tracy: Movies or Broadway show?
Rachel Rodgers: Broadway show.
Jennifer Tracy: Daytime sex or nighttime sex?
Rachel Rodgers: Daytime sex.
Jennifer Tracy: Texting or talking?
Rachel Rodgers: Talking.
Jennifer Tracy: Cat person or dog person?
Rachel Rodgers: Dog person.
Jennifer Tracy: Have you ever worn a unitard?
Rachel Rodgers: I have. I probably have. Oh my gosh.
Jennifer Tracy: You already said this. So, ice cream or chocolate?
Rachel Rodgers: Definitely chocolate. I think ice cream is totally overrated.
Jennifer Tracy: What kind of chocolate?
Rachel Rodgers: Dark chocolate. Preferably with hazelnuts in it.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh yes.
Rachel Rodgers: I don't like milk. Chocolate is dead to me. I only like dark chocolate.
Jennifer Tracy: Got it. Yes. Okay. On a scale of one to 10, how good are you at ping pong?
Rachel Rodgers: I think I'm a two.
Jennifer Tracy: What is your biggest pet peeve?
Rachel Rodgers: People who complain too much.
Jennifer Tracy: If you could push a button and it would make everyone in the world 7% happier, but it would also place a worldwide ban on all hairstyling products, would you push it?
Rachel Rodgers: I would 100% push it. Oh my gosh. I use a decent amount of product too.
Jennifer Tracy: Decent amount. I love it. A decent amount. A decent amount, not an obscene amount. A decent amount.
Rachel Rodgers: Decent amount.
Jennifer Tracy: So cute. Super power choice. Invisibility or ability to fly.
Rachel Rodgers: Definitely ability to fly.
Jennifer Tracy: Would you rather have six fingers on both hands or a belly button that looks like foreskin.
Rachel Rodgers: I'll take the six finger. That'll be helpful. It'll be useful to get more done.
Jennifer Tracy: What was the name of your first pet/
Rachel Rodgers: Cookie.
Jennifer Tracy: What was the name of the street you grew up on?
Rachel Rodgers: 45th Avenue.
Jennifer Tracy: So your porn name is Cookie 45th. That sounds like ... I think she's got a contract with Capitol Records.
Rachel Rodgers: Cookie 45th or Cookie 45?
Jennifer Tracy: Cookie 45. That's better. Cookie 45.
Rachel Rodgers: That's a good ass name. Somebody should take that.
Jennifer Tracy: That's a great name. She's and R&B artist or a rap start. I'd like to welcome to the stage, ladies and gentlemen, Cookie 45. Oh my God, Rachel, you're such a treat. Thank you so much for being on the show.
Rachel Rodgers: Thank you for having me. This was a blast.
Jennifer Tracy: Hey guys, thanks so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Rachel. If you head on over to milfpodcast.com you can access show notes for the show and a full transcript of the show, any of the stuff we talked about, there'll be links, Rachel's website, her social media. All of that stuff is on there. While you're there, please, please, please subscribe to the show. No matter what platform you're listening on, most of them have a way to subscribe and it really helps my numbers and helps me being able to give this to you guys every week for free. I love doing it. It's such a passion project for me, and I've learned so much, and I've gotten the opportunity to meet so many phenomenal, remarkable women and bring those conversations to you that I want to keep doing it.
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