Jules B. Davis: I know that the language that we're living in, in a singular way, and I'm going to figure it out. I just need to pay this bill, I just need to... fill in the blank. Like that way of living is so lonely, and it's an incredible... It's just deepening the longing that we're carrying. Then these unknowns come, and then all of a sudden, there's like freedom and permission, and, "Oh my god, life is so short. Let's do it." Then there's another extreme to go follow. We don't really know the relationship, the reciprocal relationship of being with the unknown, like the cilia of the unknown, the foundation, the pillars, the woven fibers of the unknown, and then you're invited.
Jennifer Tracy: Hey, guys, welcome back to the show. This is MILF podcast. The show where we talk about motherhood, entrepreneurship, sexuality and everything in between. My name is Jennifer Tracy and I am your host. Barreling towards the end of the month here in holiday time... Let's just take a moment. Let's just take a moment and take a breath. I never do this but I actually really need it so I'm being selfish right now. Take a breath in. Yeah. It's a lot, right? It's a lot, it's a lot and it's easy to get wrapped up in it. I'm a little goofy today. I don't know what's going on with me but yeah, it's just the holiday times are crazy and also fun, and beautiful, and whimsical, and... But it's really a lot of energy. It's a lot of chaos.
Jennifer Tracy: I mean pretty much anything can give me anxiety. But there's a lot of... Like a lot more people have anxiety, I think. Just a lot of energy, it's a lot of pressure to. So anyway, I hope that you guys are taking moments to just stop and slow down and breathe. Know that everything's going to be perfect and in its right place, whatever happens, whatever holiday that you're celebrating, whatever your New Year's traditions are. That MILF podcast is here to entertain you and take you out of that for an hour or so. I'm so excited to introduce today's guest, Jules Blaine Davis. Jules was on the show about a year ago, and so much has transpired in her life that she and I reconnected. I mean, we always reconnect, we're always connecting and we were on the phone and I just had this hit.
Jennifer Tracy: I said, "You need to come back on the show. Would you?" And she said, "Yeah." I went to her house in Pasadena and we sat in her space. We went outside for a little bit and we put our toes in the earth because that's what Jules does and invites you to do, and it's really amazing. We put our toes in the moist dirt in her backyard, basically soil, it's not really dirt, it's soil, and we just talked for a while. It really was so grounding on so many levels, just being with her is really grounding, but then just really feeling the earth beneath my feet was really nice. Anyway, so we did that, and then we came inside and we had some tea and we talked, and I'm going to be able to share that entire conversation with you. It's a really, really great conversation, and I just love her so much. That's today's guests. But before we get into that, a couple of things. I've shared with you guys I've been partnering with some companies and collaborating with I guess, partnering is more like it.
Jennifer Tracy: Basically I've been reaching out to companies that are doing awesome stuff and I want to promote them. There's no money exchange. I just think they're really awesome. I was calling it sponsorship for a while, but then I realized, well, that's misleading because they're not actually sponsoring the show you know what I mean? In this case recently, it's been just me wanting to support amazing companies and share with you these things that I found and what they're doing, what their mission is. Not only do they have amazing items and products that they're selling, or services, but they also have these incredible manifestos, and they're like, doing good in the world. I have two today. The first one is Gifts for Good. A really beautiful company. They're based here in Los Angeles. You can find them on giftsforgood.com and as always, all this stuff is on my website in the show notes. Giftsforgood.com... I mean, I'm milfpodcast.com.
Jennifer Tracy: You can find it in the show notes for this episode. You can also go into to the sponsors page although I should change that to collaborators, it doesn't really matter. I mean, the point is, I'm just being transparent and telling you what this relationship is and that I think this is a really cool company, and if you want to check it out great, and you get a little discount code for being a listener, that's all. This company is amazing, and a couple of the things that I wanted to highlight was... They have all these different gifts, right, all different levels of gifts, and they're all beautifully curated, and they're all beautifully made. A lot of them are made in places where there's poverty. A lot of them are made... they're all with sustainability in mind. One example is this travel battery bank and solar charger for your phone. It's really cool and it's $50 and it's dustproof and water resistant, and it's got a flashlight, and it charges your phone. It's just basically the size of a phone case, So that's really a cool thing.
Jennifer Tracy: This one I Love. I actually, I kind of want one. It's called the Union Upcycled Billboard Duffle. It's a duffel bag that's made out of repurposed billboards basically, and it's really beautiful. You can find that on the website and MILF listeners get an exclusive discount code, it's MILFFORGOOD. When you go to checkout, type in MILFFORGOOD and you get a little discount for being a listener, but moreover really, it's a great company. If you have some last minute Christmas gifts, or holiday gifts or New Year's gifts, whatever, they are just such a great go to because they will do it all for you. And it also has a message about what the impact is. Sometimes each gift will... some of the proceeds of that gift will go towards giving employment to somebody who would not have dignified employment in that country, or education to young girls that would not have access to education. Tons of stuff like that. It's a really beautiful company and they've just built something that's, I think so astonishing.
Jennifer Tracy: Check that out. December's highlighted give. And really just... I do this and I talk about it almost every week, but I do this just to give you guys more of a widespread idea of just the awesome shit that people are doing out there, that... I know I can be really myopic in the way that I look at my life, and I just I forget that there's a whole world out there. It's one of the reasons why I love doing the podcast really, is because sometimes me babbling on about something and talking to another inspiring woman helps one person, two people. It helps them get through their day better, it helps them feel less alone. It helps them realize maybe a solution to a problem they have that they hadn't thought about before. And I mean, that's... Like what I'm doing is so little compared to what this organization I'm about to tell you about. I've been talking about it all month it's called hopescarves.org. That's their website, Hope Scarves, they were started by Lara MacGregor.
Jennifer Tracy: Lara is coming on the show next month. That's going to be such a killer episode. She's a powerhouse, and incredible, and I'm so inspired by her. She was going through cancer treatment, and someone gave her scarves because her hair fell out because of chemo, and she wore these scarves and it gave her such courage and strength. She talks about it in the episode. It's really moving. When she was done, she said, "Here, do you want the scarves back? Thank you so much." And the woman who had given them to her said, "No, no, no, pass them on to someone else." So Laura had this brilliant idea of starting this whole movement of course, that makes so much sense because there's just like the strength of, I did it. I got through treatment and I'm passing this on to you and you can get through treatment. Then you pass it on to the next person, the next person, the next person.
Jennifer Tracy: Hope Scarves is an organization that not only provides and gives scarves and they sell scars, if you want to buy scarves or if you want to donate a scarf, buy a scarf that's going to be donated, you can share your stories. And so it's about the stories of being in cancer treatment, of survival, of remission of being re diagnosed, like all those things. It's beautiful. I highly recommend just checking it out. Whether or not you've been affected by cancer, which you probably have given the stats. It's incredible what she's doing, and she shared with me a little bit about how they're going to expand it even more. Super inspiring. Lastly, before I go ahead and let you listen to my interview with Jules, the Growing Candle is the other company that I'm partnering with for this episode, and I've talked about them before. I really love this company. So it's beautiful, beautiful candles. My favorite is the eucalyptus mint. I love it so much. They come in these gorgeous ceramic cups.
Jennifer Tracy: They're all different styles. You can pick your style and the kind of candle that you want. They're natural candles, so they're not perfumey, they're just really natural, like essential oil smells. Like Eucalyptus smell. And then when you're done burning the candle down, the wrapping for the candle is this beautiful paper that's actually seeded paper. You put the paper inside the ceramic cup, you water it, and it grows wild flowers. It's so dope, you guys. I mean, what an amazing concept. Talk about sustainable, talk about beautiful, talk about growth. I remember finding them and I flipped out. I was like, "Oh, we got to get ahold of these people. I love them." I'm so thrilled to share that with you. They are offering a discount code for MILF listeners of MILF10. If you go on their website and get to the checkout and you enter MILF10, you'll get a little 10% discount. Without further ado, here is my interview with the lovely and talented Jules Blain Davis. Hi, Jules.
Jules B. Davis: Hi. Welcome to my womb.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my god, I love your womb.
Jules B. Davis: Thank you.
Jennifer Tracy: Your womb is very womby.
Jules B. Davis: We are growing.
Jennifer Tracy: I love you so much. Thank you for letting me come back. You are the first guest that's a repeat guest.
Jules B. Davis: Girl, that feels so good.
Jennifer Tracy: It's been a little over a year actually, since I was here.
Jules B. Davis: It's amazing.
Jennifer Tracy: We were just talking before, so much has happened, so much transformation has happened for both of us individually, and wow. I mean, we'll get into all of it, but the fact that we're here and we have this beautiful wood board love that you created for us with our beautiful pears and bananas and some other treats and the tea, your love tea. Oh, and I just knocked the microphone stand par for the course.
Jules B. Davis: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, I'm just really grateful to be here with you. Oh man.
Jules B. Davis: I'm so grateful to have you here and to just be together. Just to take some time to be together in the conversation that we left, it's beautiful. As our all conversations are forever conversations there's always a...
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. Always. Yeah. I guess we'll just dive into our bodies, your body, my body. Something that you were just in the unknowing of the last time we sat down and talked here on this recorded line, was your left breast, and something was going on in your left press. At the time of that podcast recording, I don't think you had known what it was yet.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, I didn't. We said this on the last... You, not we. Even though we are all each other. Is that you came, and it was before the first surgery which was early October. And then spirit was like, "No, not the day we're doing this, no matter what you do." And then you came back literally right after that surgery occurred, and I didn't have any pathology back, so I was still very much in the unknown. We are. By the way... Let's just really... I have a headlamp on but I mean, it's a little... We're in the unknown.
Jennifer Tracy: Wait, for our listeners who don't know you as well. What do you mean you have a headlamp on?
Jules B. Davis: I mean we're all in the unknown. We're all doing this. No one says it's this, and then... I mean you're lucky if it is that, but it isn't ever. Am I a haiku colon right now? What am I? No alcohol was ingested or any other kind of random mushrooms growing on trees in South Pasadena. I feel that we're all very much in the unknown deeply, and when things come out of nowhere, which is actually the body that you're in, and this earth mama that holds us, and just all of it. All we're doing is creating safe spaces, safe spaces. That's what we're doing. We move in the world and we create safe spaces. But no one said. "Hey." If anybody did please write me and Jen, and tell us what occurred.
Jennifer Tracy: Because we missed that memo.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, of like, here's the moon and here's the earth, and our people colonized this earth and we're longing for the wisdom that was here, that we actually captured and took over. We're in that conversation now, right? Everyone... These words, they're in the time frame. But the realm of the story that lives in the body, and then we're carrying these stories in our bodies, and then stuff comes out of nowhere, and we're at a red light and we see a car crash, or we get a diagnosis. We are wadding with our gumboots through so much. We're hungry to lighten this heaviness, we're hungry to turn on the fire. We're hungry to make a wood board love, but we're also scared to death. We're doing it all, aren't we?
Jennifer Tracy: Well, and what's so fascinating about exactly what you're saying is, you are and have been deep in this work that you've been doing, which is as we were talking about right before we hit record is really difficult to describe to someone who hasn't experienced you. I haven't had the privilege of being on one of your retreats, but I have had the privilege of being in a couple of your circles or your fire, your full moon circles here and there so profoundly healing. I brought my friend Sabrina to one and she talks about it all the time, and I forward her the ones. I'm like, "You got to go this month and bring..." Her daughter wants to come, who's 17, who's just-
Jules B. Davis: That would be beautiful.
Jennifer Tracy: ... incredible. The two of them are amazing. It's profound, and yet it's not something you could do a sales pitch on. There's no tagline for what it is because it's so deep and ancestral, and rooted in so many things. Then you crack a joke and it's like... It's such a wonderful, delicious, nurturing and nourishing experience. My point of bringing that up is that a year ago when you got this health news, and then diagnosis, and all the rest of followed, you were in the middle of doing this work, and you were at the beginning of starting to write a book and carry this message in this other way. You said to me, you said... And spirit was like, "Oh, no. Different story. Different story." It is exactly what you just described of, like, "Gosh, darn it, we can plan, and we can be in it, and we can... But it's just these curve balls come and yet, the most beautiful things come out of them if we can lean into it. That's the trick. It's like...
Jules B. Davis: I know, we didn't learn that. I guess it's like, what's the language because I mean, obviously we all know language, right? It's just like, this is the generations of language and liking language, but keeping them on the surface like bubbles of oil and water. It's the language around surrender, let it go, whatever. I'm not really making fun of them. I actually am hoping that they come into my body right this moment as I'm saying them. But what is the language of that relationship? What's the language of the relationship around the unknown? I'm saying the unknown and then immediately we like separate ourselves. We don't even know we're doing it. We think, "Oh, well we know this." But we actually don't know anything. Like our commitments, if we can get to a place together collectively, because this shit is not a man on his own island or a woman, and we can really rocket, but this is collective healing, is how do we all together... right? The circle, so opening the gate, all of those things... It's like we were brought in alone and... Even the saying, we're brought in alone we die alone. Never in the tribe was that something that occurred.
Jules B. Davis: Mind you, I can't wait in 30 years to be like, "And this is what did occur." I haven't fully engaged in that, but I know that the language that we're living in, in the singular way and I'm going to figure it out. I just need to pay this bill. I just need to... fill in the blank." That way of living is so lonely, and it's an incredibly... It's just deepening the longing that we're carrying. And then these unknowns come and then all of a sudden, there's like freedom, and permission and, "Oh my god, life is so short, let's do it." And then there's another extreme to go follow. We don't really know the relationship, the reciprocal relationship of being with the unknown, like the cilia of the unknown, the foundation, the pillars, the woven fibers of the unknown, and then you're invited.
Jules B. Davis: For me, the language around this very much came from many teachers that I love and feel so honored and privileged to know and learn language from around secret illness. People even in the communities, "Are you okay?" Or, "Oh, I heard you were you fell ill." I was like, is it 1937? I didn't fall and I don't even think I was ill, because I wasn't, it was fantastic. But it was a teacher that came into this breast. This is not like guru language, this is real truth. Because my body was... It's pristine body, health. All of that was... celery juice in spades.
Jennifer Tracy: Were you pissed off?
Jules B. Davis: There was anger later after the surgery.
Jennifer Tracy: Later.
Jules B. Davis: After the second surgery, a lot of emotion came through by a fire. I was so angry like, "What the fuck was this? Like, what the fuck?" But through before that, and I think that was also some of the anesthesia. I was like, "What the... Where are you going?" No. "Don't you fucking leave here?" No, I didn't say that. But in the realm...
Jennifer Tracy: I ask because this is such a vanilla word for what it is, but you are and pursue, and live, and breathe health and wellness and you teach it.
Jules B. Davis: What is that again? Right?
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: This goes back to the unknown. We are in a culture of like if you do this and two tablespoons of this... And by the way it can really work, everyone that's listening I'm sure you're like, "Well that actually does work." And it does. But if we are continuously marrying... If what's winning is control and gripping...
Jennifer Tracy: Oh yeah.
Jules B. Davis: ... and figuring it out, and linear, and above the neck. We have lost this divine feminine. That doesn't mean just females. There's a divine feminine in everyone. The divine feminine heart. This work comes from nearby star, and her phenomenal work in the mystics, and in... Se just wrote a book called Wild Mercy which I'm gifting you, and I'm totally [inaudible 00:22:01] all of it. That's all to say I would love to be the other but I'm not. But in the realms of like, just the magic we can't see in the known, the magic that we miss out on. We all know this. I'm not saying anything new. It's just, I'm reminding us. I think that's what's so needed in the collective, is just us reminding each other not fixing each other, reminding. We need to remember who we are, so that we can become who we are.
Jules B. Davis: We're in the super noisy culture, and oh, there's just so much downloading that I want to share that I'm going to like Fritz out in a second. But I just really feel so much of it I guess for us. I believe in us so much. I believe in the collective. I believe in our bodies and the wisdom of our bodies, and I'm totally an archetype in the making now. My left breast, she needed it this mama Earth, this body that we're inside of that we're all inside of that we separate from and call it nature. Her big ass gorgeous, cancerous toxic, beyond forgiving, generous body we're living in. And then inside that body we're like, "Okay, so let's see, what I'm going to bind today or whatever." Again, we think it's recycling the yo play card and it's going to do it. We're no longer there anymore. That was privilege. We're no longer there. We have to live in the inquiry. We have to live in the questions. We have to hone and love and nourish the questions, because there are no answers.
Jules B. Davis: How do we do that in a culture that's like, "Hey, what's 9.99? Three tips." How do we do it? Did I take us totally somewhere...?
Jennifer Tracy: Oh yeah, not at all.
Jules B. Davis: Did I take us to like Iceland? Which...
Jennifer Tracy: What's three tips? Like an article that says three tips.
Jules B. Davis: The tits actually. No, it's three tits because I have one, so three tips. No... I Love when you laugh and smile, has anyone seen Jen laugh and smile? Because you really need to you need to get a hold of that and just tincture it into your coconut oil coffee every day or whatever people are doing now. Now what are people doing?
Jennifer Tracy: It always something. You're not perfect. Everything is perfect. I want to explore everything that you just said through your personal journey with this. Just to catch our listeners up, there was something found in your breast. You had the first surgery that was a biopsy, right or no, it wasn't a biopsy.
Jules B. Davis: I had a biopsy. I had it all. It was an all you can eat buffet on Western system medicine. Woo-hoo! Party.
Jennifer Tracy: What was the chronology of events?
Jules B. Davis: What occurred was back in June of 1920, I mean time is flying. I just went for regular mammogram. Everyone's story begins with a regular mammogram. No, not everybody's but...
Jennifer Tracy: But many.
Jules B. Davis: Again, it had been a few years. Mind you, I have nothing happening in my family or my lineage of this, so I don't have like a red flag in that terrain already. I just went and then they called me back and it was very, like, "Oh, okay, they called me back." Kind of like, a pap smear that doesn't go so well in the realms of like, "Okay, well, I mean, that happens all the time", kind of thing. I had heard that maybe it's insurance or whatever. Anyway, it didn't even matter. I was already freaking out and definitely like, "Oh okay, I've never had that experience." And then went in for the two hour ultrasound longer, bring a bag of goodies kind of thing, and then try not to fight with your husband. Those are the days you just want to really keep it simple.
Jules B. Davis: I went in, and then they wanted to do a biopsy, and they did. That was a really uncomfortable experience, and very scary because I wasn't really quite sure because I couldn't feel anything. I also just, again, the naiveté that I lived in, which is real. I really want to take a moment with it. There was a deep, deep innocence that I carried in all that I did. I was so this and that and all that I did. I wasn't one that... I actually sought out awakening. My world and work is all about, where's the grief? Where's the shame? Where's the vulnerable? Let's sit with it. Let's light a fire. Let's be with it. It was chosen, it didn't come. It was chosen, I was leading. Now those days are done. That was an innocence and a naivete that I wore so beautifully. I loved her. She really didn't believe this kind of thing could happen to her. Mind you I was physically abused as a kid. It's not like, "Oh, what a beautiful life."
Jules B. Davis: It was, by the way, I had a combo effort on all realms. But it wasn't like there was no trauma in my body, or that I wasn't scared to death every minute of the day that everyone I love was going to die. I mean, I'm Jewish. So there's a little bit of a lineage there. And then the ancestors really, they love to hold on to good stories. So just to paint the picture of, we're always looking for the fantasy inside each other. I just really want to name that there was no fantasy in it, and yet I still lived inside that innocence, that we live in when we book something in two months. That we live in with the vacation we're making. We're not even thinking about anything other than, "Well, can we afford it?" And, "Do we have the time?" Those are usually the two decisions we make. We're not thinking about?
Jennifer Tracy: "Am I going to die?"
Jules B. Davis: We're not thinking, "Am I going to die?" I'm not thinking about like... You don't want to think that way, you don't want to live that way, but you're also... We're not thinking about which is another conversation for possibly another time. How does it affect her? Am I even allowed to go to that land? I mean going to Hawaii was an insanely deep experience of, "I'm not meant to be here." I was going to fly out the next day. It was like, "This is not okay."
Jennifer Tracy: For my listeners who aren't as familiar with Jules, when she speaks of "her", she's talking about Mother Earth.
Jules B. Davis: Yes, and this gorgeous body that we're all inside of, not necessarily our body. All that language came within the last two years, meaning I was all about my body and the wisdom of my body. But then it was like, 'Oh shit, it's not my body. It's her body."
Jennifer Tracy: Well and this incident, really deeply informed that.
Jules B. Davis: I'm going to bring it back in. Just reign me in every time it's way-
Jennifer Tracy: You're doing great you're doing great. Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: ... expansive, as like expansive [inaudible 00:28:51]. I just wanted to make a [inaudible 00:28:53] it didn't work as well than I thought it would.
Jennifer Tracy: It did. That was fully alliterative-
Jules B. Davis: [crosstalk 00:28:57] What's another one? Eileen. Expansive Eileen? No that also doesn't do it. Expansive doesn't really have a lot from rhyme words. It's like and then appansive and then attansive. Again I'm like... it's again the Haiku. Okay, so back to-
Jennifer Tracy: Biopsy.
Jules B. Davis: ... the biopsy, and then that was like a little mini gun going off. That was awful. And then and her name was Lakshmi, that doctor. So that was random. And then I thought abundance, maybe not right now. They just couldn't really see it. They didn't really get it, but they knew that something was there.
Jennifer Tracy: They didn't know what it was. They-
Jules B. Davis: They had no idea.
Jennifer Tracy: ... just said, "We don't know what this is?"
Jules B. Davis: It could have been... I think on the list there were like 19 options. That part was when this became Desmond Tutu. I'll try to bring it into a cliff note version, because I still need to read up on him. He's a phenomenal human, but there were some names that really were... There was like, obviously, the cancer names and then there were other things that it could have been or could have also been like fatty milk from ducts that would have been 400 years old by now, but it was a possibility. I was going for it. And then there was another one [Desmoindis 00:30:10] which is pretty known. But when she said it, I was like... I looked at Josh and I'm like, "what's that Desmond Tutu?" And then we were like, "Okay, let's go for Desmond Tutu." That sounds like the best one out of the group.
Jennifer Tracy: Because the name?
Jules B. Davis: Because of the name and also like they're fast growing, and they're not malignant, I think. Now some... if you're a doctor, you just say "X" [inaudible 00:30:35]. There's good healthy forgiving. I mean, there's forgetting, there's healthy forgetting that occurs. But so I heard Desmond Tutu I was like, "Great." Then I looked him up and totally made sense. And then a few went to everywhere, went all over the city. Was talking to doctors everywhere. Mind you I come from a full on Western background of surgeons and doctors, and that was completely aligned for the journey. The work I do with lineage, and the stories that we carry, and that Western realm is always an option for me. Yet I'm always also on the path of the body has us, she really can hold us, and the body of this earth she can hold us. But always also moving to like, "Or maybe I need a [Sipor 00:31:23]." Right?
Jennifer Tracy: Absolutely.
Jules B. Davis: I grew up in a faith based Western system, so it was like, "Oh, good, enjoy that yoga. You're going to need a Sipro at the end of the day." Or like, "Oh, enjoy, that sounds good. You take that retreat." And then, "Here's a cast just in case you need one." like whatever just... Anyway, so yeah. Am I doing it?
Jennifer Tracy: You're perfect. You're perfect.
Jules B. Davis: Oh my god, I love the word perfect, or maybe I don't, but I'm going to take it, I'm going to run with it right here.
Jennifer Tracy: This moment is perfect. Each moment that is happening is perfect.
Jules B. Davis: Does everybody here that? I just want to everybody to take a moment, I'm going to two with you of like, "Really, it's okay." Even in the story right of the realm of my breast, and all of our bodies. What I came to is that my body is your body. My body and my journey is your journey. It is her journey. It's Mama Earth. We see trees all the time with a branch gone or a thing. No one's like, "Oh, I wonder if she's going to grow another pair. Maybe she'll get a plastic thing put on it." Like, "Will she go for the latex?" I don't even know what you put in your boob. But anyway, I'm all about it if you need to do it.
Jennifer Tracy: Silicon?
Jules B. Davis: Oh, yeah. Right. Something like that. No one's like looking at the tree going, "I hope that grows back soon."
Jennifer Tracy: Oh, she better get a perky set.
Jules B. Davis: Yes exactly. I had that first surgery for them to take it out. The journey for me was very, very deep in the realms of being awakened and also going absolutely facilitating a team which I completely support all of you to do and reach out to me in the realms of language around it, because it can be really scary and there's no holding of the culture. The culture can't hold for things that come out of nowhere. The word cancer drops us all. Drops our pants. We're just like, "Oh my god what?" You just immediately... "Are you okay? You're going to live." And then we don't even know what to do with that. What if I say yes or no, we don't know what we're going to say next.
Jennifer Tracy: You didn't have an answer that was part of what was-
Jules B. Davis: There was no answer.
Jennifer Tracy: ... so crazy about... You were like, "Well it's not breast cancer." It wasn't breast cancer.
Jules B. Davis: We didn't know what it was going to be, and so yeah... Bringing the reins in on it. It was more, like I continued to just be with my body about it, and I couldn't stop being by the fire. Like cords of wood were being delivered and we have a fire pit in the backyard and it was just... I could only sit by fire, and it was clearing all the fear, and it was the only place I knew that or that I at least felt like I was going to be okay. Came in to make a lunch, seaweed, nuclear, power in the ocean, I don't know. All of those things are decisions that we have to make as moms, and like just all of the realms I would die. Like I'm in the house, "Oh my god, I'm not going to be okay." I'd go outside by the fire I'm going to be totally okay. Look up at the sky. I'd wake up in the dark and then the sun would come up. I wasn't really sleeping and I definitely wasn't really eating.
Jules B. Davis: Everything stops because you're in that extreme trauma space of being really scared for your life, and I'm not really ready to go but I totally have no control over that. And so yeah, it was really... it was a very deep time and that fire would just invite people to come over and sit with me by the fire because it was the only place that felt like, "Oh okay, I can at least be here. I don't feel like I need to rush out of my skin" or... Right? I mean if that makes sense.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh, yeah of course.
Jules B. Davis: It was a very deep time and then of course the fire invited me to invite other women to come to the fire, because it's... I've always loved fire I'm totally fire in my all my signs in the chart and that, but this was really... I've always talked about turning on the fire in the kitchen as a kitchen healer, right? But it was like a whole nother element and level of fire serving and supporting me, and reciprocating. I would offer myself over. That relationship started around the language as well, with my elder... Dina, she gave me the language around... that this is sacred, and this is a calling. It really was aligned for me. It wasn't like I needed to meet Kale or like get to know Chard. I was sharing that with everyone else. It was definitely like, "What is this?"
Jules B. Davis: I share this with you because for the listeners to and anyone that gets to be here with us, what we carry is not necessarily ours, it's a story or it's a learning, it's a teaching. This is not to make you feel better because it's actually quite scary, and it's unknown and we're all in it. But what we do is we end up separating ourselves. We go right into separation, we get into depression. We want to get under the bed. For me, all I kept hearing is gather with women, bring them closer to you, bring them closer. Show them how to be this. I'm like, 'Show them how to be this? I don't know fucking how to be this. I don't know." But I just kept listening and inviting, and so before each surgery, I had big groups of women come, clients... I mean, at that time, it wasn't like I was looking like, "Who were my closest friends? Let me bring them..." It was literally like, "Did I see the post office woman today? Let me invite her." It's a total vortex.
Jules B. Davis: It got to the point where my body... because I kept asking, "Is this mine? Are they sure?" Because I mean you get this biopsy back, and you have no idea. It's from the man behind the curtain or the woman, you don't know. They must screw up on this every now and then. I know I'm a one in a million like maybe I'm a one in a million with this. Anyway, what ended up occurring is that it got really big, and it got me to know like, "Hey, it's for you." I got to a place where it was like, "It's time to say yes. It's time to say yes to everything, and you're going to say yes, and that's what's going to happen." And this is what would occur by the fire 4:00 AM. I'd be out there just gathering the word in my muck boots, and everyone's sleeping in the house. I could barely fall asleep. I'd fall asleep by the fire, and I would hear things there because that's what she does. She communicates with us. I kept offering myself over to her, in howling, in fear, in crying, in... Right? Just in all of the complete human experiences that I was having.
Jules B. Davis: I heard it's a, "Yes time." I got the surgery, and we were really hoping for Desmond Tutu, and we considered it like a birth. We were like, "This is a birth of the teacher." And, "Oh, I love that language. I'll run with that poem." The next thing occurred was the one of the worst things that you could have was what occurred, and it was a kind of cancer, but it was breast cancer. It was a cancer that doesn't occur in the breast ever. It's like a one in a million. This is where you might not want to be that. It's fun on the stage one in a million, but not so much in the stage. It was a real choice of, we got to go back in and clear margins, or we just let the breast go. I had a few months and this is the year anniversary of that time. I was in that time, and I really wasn't sure... I think the western lineage part of me was like, "You're done with this breast, it's time to say goodbye to her."
Jules B. Davis: She was such a gorgeous breasts. She fed my babies, and she was... When I wrote an ode to her, I was like, "I wonder why you want to get the fuck out of here like you never stopped? You were the biggest one."
Jennifer Tracy: She was exhausted.
Jules B. Davis: You were exhausted. It's time to let you go. I had so much time with her to say goodbye, and then that breast at post op started to harden, and she's my surgeon who is beyond phenomenal said, it's supposed to be soft, and I thought, "Oh god, is this thing real? Is it really coming after me? This is so crazy." It was with that to that... I was doing castor oil packs, and wool, and traveling with it. I really chose in early December to let her go. In that process, so many teachings... I mean you move into a whole nother level, especially when you're at the spa like whoa! That's a whole nother... You're like, "Oh wait, no one is walking around with one or no boobs." Everyone has gotten it figured out already. And I really meaning in the realms of not figure out, but not being with what truly is happening. That wasn't really an option for me, because when you can't feel something you're like, "You know what? Why put more tissue there. That's not a great idea."
Jules B. Davis: But also just to be with my body in this new way, is phenomenal. Like she's so gorgeous and so, whoa! She's so many things. This is scar.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: That's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing all of that.
Jules B. Davis: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: I just have a couple questions-
Jules B. Davis: Please ask [crosstalk 00:40:13]
Jennifer Tracy: ... and clarification. It wasn't Desmond Tutu. It was a form of cancer.
Jules B. Davis: It was.
Jennifer Tracy: What was it...
Jules B. Davis: It was called sarcoma.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay.
Jules B. Davis: Sarcoma, it's a scary word. It's not like the word that you want to hear in the night with a cashmere cozy around you. It has more of a bully like energy and yet they don't... it doesn't really show up in the breast. I don't even really park my car in the word because even as a culture, we go, "Yeah." And then, "My dad had that in his intestine," or whatever. Then we go into that story. We carry these stories with us, the fears of them, the not knowings of them, and we don't really know how to hold them.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: We don't know who they are. By the way, there's no research on this so literally, it wasn't like, "Oh, and you're done." It was like, "And we'll see." There were many doctors who thought, "Bomb the village." I was having some...
Jennifer Tracy: Meaning like chemo?
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, just keep going and, "You're young." They love to actually tell you your age over and over again. "You're this. You're..." I'm like, "Thank you. Do you know my birthday?" I know my age. They're doing what they know because they're also scared to death, and they also see stuff, they see so much stuff. Of course, you think, "Oh, I should go with that." That was the deepest work. All the surgeries were things I had to go do, so that made it very different, but being post op of all this... Mind you when the breast was taken, nothing was in it, so that really changed. Everything was completely clear. We'd be having a very different conversation if it wasn't. I mean, it was such a teacher, and now the work that I'm in right now in this language of what's happening in the kitchen, what's happening with our bodies, it's just like you go to the next level. You really do go to the next level in your life. It really takes you to other realms that most of us don't travel, and I didn't neither two years ago.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. I would imagine. We've spoken about this privately a bit, but I would imagine it's changed, not just your relationship to her, mother earth, to yourself, to your body, but to every person in your life, every intimacy, your husband, your two children.
Jules B. Davis: All of them.
Jennifer Tracy: Your dog
Jules B. Davis: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: Like you say, I mean, I haven't been through something like that. I've had other losses, but what a gift, and I just have to pause and say this, and I might have some shaky voice emotion that comes with it, so that's okay, but I'm just prefacing it with that. At the time that you and I had this podcast experience a year ago, my friend Kim was still alive. In fact, right in front of your house was the last place I saw her alive. I brought her to a gathering. She came and it was about... I'm sorry, it was one week to the day before she died, before she took her life. You and I had reconnected. I was so grateful for that reconnection, and continue to be. I was learning from you, as I always have, and the fire and the earth, and just... right. Jules gives me permission to take that deeper breath below, in the diaphragm.
Jennifer Tracy: Then she was gone, and I went through that whole story. I'm still going through it, obviously. I remember I had this old fire pit that I wasn't using in my backyard, and I just went to Anna Walt. I was like, "I need some firewood. Can you guys put some firewood in my trunk?" Just the emotion is coming and the tears are coming because I had a language that wasn't words, because I'm a wordsmith.
Jules B. Davis: Totally, you are.
Jennifer Tracy: I had a language of earth that was able to soothe me so deeply in a way that I didn't know was available to me. Thank you for that gift. Even further than that, I had a girlfriend call me and say, "What do you need?" I said, "I need to gather and I can't do it. Can you just do it?" 24 hours later, my dance community, she and six other women came and they brought crystals. They brought this crazy Thera gun thing, and we were massaging each other and laughing.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, that'll do it.
Jennifer Tracy: They brought food. We lit the fire. We were laughing. We were telling stories. I was telling them stories about Kim, and it was just... yeah, the gathering. It's the gathering and the fire, and it's simple. Just the simplicity.
Jules B. Davis: Simplicity.
Jennifer Tracy: She said, "Who do you want there?" I said, "You decide. It doesn't matter.
Jules B. Davis: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: Only whoever is wants to," and she just gathered a bunch of women. Some I was close to. Some I didn't know, and all...
Jules B. Davis: Amazing.
Jennifer Tracy: It really was exactly what I needed. I needed to not be alone looking on Instagram for I don't know what.
Jules B. Davis: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: Echoes of my best friend who was gone.
Jules B. Davis: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: Thank you for that gift.
Jules B. Davis: Thank you for that gift right here, and for the gift to everyone. It's just so beautiful. This, it's not an event.
Jennifer Tracy: It's not an event.
Jules B. Davis: It's not an event, like gathering together, it's not an event.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. I didn't have to...
Jules B. Davis: Retreats are not an event. To be, to actually be, to carve out time to be in our lives, it's not an event. It's so vital.
Jennifer Tracy: So vital, and yet the one thing I really learned from that, too, is I love entertaining. I love having people over. I don't do it often enough. I started doing it more, but it didn't have to be a presentation.
Jules B. Davis: No.
Jennifer Tracy: It was for me.
Jules B. Davis: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: It was for all of us really. It was for all of us.
Jules B. Davis: It was. You gifted all those women.
Jennifer Tracy: Truly.
Jules B. Davis: Experiences to be.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: The more we do this, right, the more we know it's not an event... This is so important. I mean, it really is vital. I'm not saying no aesthetics, but I am saying, get the laundry basket out and fold it together. I mean, literally just cut the food up on the freaking wood board. I know you have a gorgeous wood board and if you don't, we can find you one.
Jennifer Tracy: That's right.
Jules B. Davis: The realms of just... but we're not connected in that way. We, in our blood, in the last hundred years was, we have to sacrifice ourself. We have to over labor. We have to make it look this. Don't... to be seen, not heard.
Jennifer Tracy: It has to look like a commercial.
Jules B. Davis: Absolutely. The Martha Stewart, cobalt egg. Who's doing that? No one. Here's the thing. Someone we know knows her, you know what I mean, and I think she's Jewish. Anyway, point being, she's also... maybe she needs to come on to the show, but I think that the non-event piece... because then we get closer to living, and when we're closer to living and not separating ourselves from her, from ourselves, from each other, from gathering people to come over, then when these things that come out of nowhere happen, we're closer to being able to hold them.
Jules B. Davis: Actually, it's a gorgeous wardrobe of emotion. It really all does work together, but I'll tell you the number one secret... It's not a secret at all. The number one thing that I find very single time, it works every single time is slowing down.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah
Jules B. Davis: It's the only way, and I have to literally remind myself on the busier date-
Jennifer Tracy: My god, me too.
Jules B. Davis: Nothing important right now other than my breath, this moment. Nothing. The sun coming in, the pear that's browning on the wood board, but we love it anyway. Just being in this moment. Wherever you are, if you're in the car, if you're in the house, if you're traveling, just feel your body, feel the weight of your body in your chair, bringing it over, letting whatever is here hold you. Let it actually hold you. Let this podcast hold you.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Do you know?
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: We really need that holding so much. We're longing for it so much.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. I do think that's why... It's funny. I started this podcast, I had no idea it was going to turn into what it is. I'm so grateful. It is its own entity. I really believe that, but there's something about the intimacy of this moment now that we're sharing live, and then once this is uploaded and published or whatever, and then someone's listening to it and they're in... I mean, we have listeners in Somalia.
Jules B. Davis: My gosh, incredible.
Jennifer Tracy: Isn't that amazing?
Jules B. Davis: Amazing.
Jennifer Tracy: I'm like, wow, you feel like you're in the room. They're going to feel like they're in the room with us.
Jules B. Davis: They are in the room with us.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, it's really cool. They're so...
Jules B. Davis: Even though I have no idea what flight I would take to go there.
Jennifer Tracy: I don't either.
Jules B. Davis: I'm not looking at the moment, but we are all in this together.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: I don't just say that like, "We're all in this together." I mean, because there are those... I know, we've all done it, really, truly. Why is it only heightened events? That's where it needs to change. It cannot be only heightened events.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Like death, cancer. That's when we wake up to each other. That's when we're like, "You know what? I'm going to go to Jules' fire." Why aren't we doing it for ourselves, the practice of the slowing down, the practice of...
Jennifer Tracy: We're not taught that it's valuable.
Jules B. Davis: We're not. We're not taught that... I mean, in any tribe, the woman... they would gather together, then they would feed their kids, then they would serve the community. They started together. They started with each other to then have a perspective of what the day would be.
Jennifer Tracy: When you say that, all I can think of is myself and all the hundreds of women that have messaged me over the last year, but me in the first two years of my son's life, locked in my house.
Jules B. Davis: Right.
Jennifer Tracy: Horrible postpartum depression that I didn't know what it was. Isolated. Even my few friends that were like, "Come over," and I was like, "Nope, it'll mess with the nap schedule." I was so fearful. What I really needed was to say, like I said to Mercedes after Kim died, "I need to gather. I can't organize it. Just make it happen." Or, "You make it happen for me. Next week I'll make it happen..." I just didn't know how to create that space of gathering because-
Jules B. Davis: Of course you didn't.
Jennifer Tracy: ... I was crippled by this...
Jules B. Davis: My god, absolutely, and here's the thing. We don't want to invade each other. We don't want to conquer each other. We don't want to take over, but really, I mean, when you were saying, "What I really needed was..." I pictured myself as an enormous woman coming in a huge woven skirt, and an apron, and just... I'm wearing essentially a cozy rug, and I'm coming in and hugging you from behind with just enormous arms. We need to fall into each other, but how do we do that in this culture, where we talk about our longing, where we're definitely braving the wilderness, where we're unsilencing our voices as women. We're just going for #MeToo. How do we soften into the squash in the oven? How do we stay connected without it being a thing to do, a thing to conquer, a thing to... right? Like a thing to fix?
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: If we keep on those lanes on the highway, we're really getting nowhere. That's not what we really want. We want to just be together. Yes, we live in a city that's hard to get around. It's also on fire. We're really less doing, more being, but how? "She knows the answer." No, I don't. I just want to be in conversation about it. Let's open... I mean, yes. I've been in conversation for a long time with thousands of women around this, and I'm still learning about being. I'm a mom, two kids, marriage on a string. I mean, we're all doing it.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Or maybe you have a rope, a tight rope, or maybe your marriage is on a trampoline. I don't know. I love it all. All the words, again, even I look at my bookshelf. Prosperity, beauty, courage, radical love.
Jennifer Tracy: Pussy.
Jules B. Davis: Pussy. Just all of it, and it's letting that all go, other than crazy brave, which is what I've been feeling lately, letting that all go, right? This retreat Radical Intimacy. If this comes out, it's going to come out after.
Jennifer Tracy: It's going to come out after, but...
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, the realm of that. No, I'm sharing it because even the wording. What is it? This, what we're talking about is radical intimacy.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Being scared to death. Being numb and needing the community, the women to come and just come around us, and not actually care too much about what we need necessarily because we don't know.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: This is the back to not asking if you're hungry. You don't come in the house. I'm like, "Hey, Jen, are you hungry for a donut?" I'm just like, here's some wood board-
Jennifer Tracy: Here's food.
Jules B. Davis: ... and a tea. Okay. You don't have to have it. You don't need to eat it, but it's here.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. I want to ask you about another loss that happened for you.
Jules B. Davis: When's the stand-up comedy hour? Because, I mean, I'm really funny and so are you.
Jennifer Tracy: It's been happening this whole time.
Jules B. Davis: Really?
Jennifer Tracy: Oh honey.
Jules B. Davis: Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: You'll listen back to this and hear how much we're giggling in between these.
Jules B. Davis: I can't wait to get to the funny part, and you're like, "Now here's another loss."
Jennifer Tracy: Here's another loss.
Jules B. Davis: I'm like, oh god, is everybody... do you have your seatbelt on, everyone? Or at least get a whoopie or... you know what I love, is a heating pad for my nervous system. Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay, so wait. You know how I got my bio-mat? Remember how I got my different bio-mat as my divorce present?
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, I need a bio-mat.
Jennifer Tracy: Girl.
Jules B. Davis: Are they listening? Can they come and just bring us all a bio-mat?
Jennifer Tracy: Bring us a bio-mat.
Jules B. Davis: Who's connected to the bio-mat people?
Jennifer Tracy: Let's get in touch with them. Okay.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, let's.
Jennifer Tracy: It's my favorite thing. It is basically a human size heating pad. It's a yoga mat that's a heating pad-
Jules B. Davis: Right? [crosstalk 00:54:46] With quartz or whatever in there, right?
Jennifer Tracy: ... with [red 00:54:47] heat and lined with crystal.
Jules B. Davis: [crosstalk 00:54:50] Lined with crystals no big deal. Oh my god.
Jennifer Tracy: Just so fancy, and yeah, it was a very big treat for myself.
Jules B. Davis: So good.
Jennifer Tracy: It was so good that I got a little one for my bed, a mini heating pad that now belongs to my dog Slash. That's where he sleeps every night, and it's funny.
Jules B. Davis: I mean, is Slash the privileged dog of the century?
Jennifer Tracy: He's...
Jules B. Davis: It's beyond...
Jennifer Tracy: I can't. He came from...
Jules B. Davis: The ghetto, please, say it.
Jennifer Tracy: The ghetto downtown.
Jules B. Davis: Oh my gosh amazing.
Jennifer Tracy: Downtown L.A. [crosstalk 00:55:17] A homeless person turned him in to...
Jules B. Davis: It's the American story.
Jennifer Tracy: Really. He's later today... actually, I have my mobile grooming gal-
Jules B. Davis: Love it.
Jennifer Tracy: ... for Mama L.A. We'll put a link to her.
Jules B. Davis: Okay. I love that.
Jennifer Tracy: She is incredible, if you're in Los Angeles. She comes in her van. She takes both dogs and she grooms them, and she gives them... she anally expresses them.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, she does.
Jennifer Tracy: Because...
Jules B. Davis: I mean, all of us might... do we want that? Does anybody want an anal expression? Is that the other word for it?
Jennifer Tracy: It depends on who's giving it to me.
Jules B. Davis: Okay, now we're getting into some stuff. Now, let's go right into grief. Okay. Because we can do it all. Really, it's the divine feminine. We're rounding it.
Jennifer Tracy: We're going to talk about rim jobs, anal sex and death.
Jules B. Davis: Okay. I'm lost with the first two, but I'm great with the third.
Jennifer Tracy: I don't believe you.
Jules B. Davis: Rim jobs. Is that for a little BB outside with my car? My car's called BB, black and blue. She's black and blue. I didn't beat her up. She's actually amazing. No, not a rim job there.
Jennifer Tracy: No.
Jules B. Davis: No, no, no, no.
Jennifer Tracy: Well, yeah.
Jules B. Davis: [crosstalk 00:56:27] Yeah, that's...
Jennifer Tracy: I'm going to have a tutorial on that afterwards. We'll get a YouTube video going.
Jules B. Davis: I'd love that.
Jennifer Tracy: Anyway...
Jules B. Davis: Can we do a rim job with an archetype in the making? Does it work with one breast? Is that a... okay? It's actually really beautiful, by the way. One breast... just, it's something to say.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah. Because the breasts that actually got to stay in that fancy one that really knows how to stay up without the bra. Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: See, I have one that's so much bigger than the other ones. [crosstalk 00:57:00] When I'm pre-menstrual, I remember going to Christie Funk who's my breast doctor, and I need to go scheduled my mammogram.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, you do, by the way.
Jennifer Tracy: I know. Yes, I know.
Jules B. Davis: Christie Funk? My god, does she play great music in there?
Jennifer Tracy: She should.
Jules B. Davis: I really hope so.
Jennifer Tracy: She's also insanely gorgeous.
Jules B. Davis: Amazing.
Jennifer Tracy: It's ridiculous. She walks in, you're like... Did Paulina Porizkova just walk in here? What's happening?
Jules B. Davis: My god. Let me take off my shirt with my breasts that don't match.
Jennifer Tracy: She's amazing. She...
Jules B. Davis: We're all each other though. Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: I took my bra off and I said, "I have one that's bigger than another," and this is a woman who looks at breasts all day long. She said, "Oh whoa."
Jules B. Davis: My gosh. That was nice bedside from her.
Jennifer Tracy: She said... I mean, maybe it wasn't quite that pronounced, but she was like, "Oh yeah. That's a full cup size bigger."
Jules B. Davis: I had that, too.
Jennifer Tracy: She said, "I mean, you could have cosmetic surgery, but you'd have to have it on both of those."
Jules B. Davis: H no.
Jennifer Tracy: I'm like, "Why?"
Jules B. Davis: No, it's a whole thing.
Jennifer Tracy: That ship has sailed. These...
Jules B. Davis: Yeah. No, they put the nipple as a magnet on the fridge. It's a whole thing.
Jennifer Tracy: Wait, what?
Jules B. Davis: It's three different kinds of surgery.
Jennifer Tracy: That's a thing?
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: Stop it.
Jules B. Davis: It's just, why? What other things can we offer ourselves [crosstalk 00:58:15]?
Jennifer Tracy: No, I don't...
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: I had no interest then, and I have no interest now, but it is quite obvious, if you really stare at them, you can see which one is bigger.
Jules B. Davis: I think they look gorgeous. Well, it's always the one by the heart.
Jennifer Tracy: I never knew that. Why?
Jules B. Davis: Yeah. It's the left side, and its mother. That's the mother and home, and feminine.
Jennifer Tracy: Feminine.
Jules B. Davis: That's the one that was taken. The beauty of that is it was the mother, and now I got closer to the mother. The most Divine Mother that is the most forgiving. She's actually a really great listener. I never had a mother like that. Anyway, here all night, or all day. Should we wash the dishes and do some sink talks? Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my god, yes.
Jules B. Davis: Oh my gosh.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay. I mean, there's so much more. We could literally talk for another hour, but I do want to just go into this part, because it is part of this journey of this year for you. Your father passed away.
Jules B. Davis: He did, recently. He did, yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: Suddenly, and you were able to be there.
Jules B. Davis: No.
Jennifer Tracy: No, not suddenly?
Jules B. Davis: I mean, it was suddenly. Death is sudden, even if you're waiting.
Jennifer Tracy: I guess that's true.
Jules B. Davis: I mean...
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, that makes sense.
Jules B. Davis: There's not really a lot of language around it, but yeah, I guess it is.
Jennifer Tracy: I mean, I'm just remembering the story of...
Jules B. Davis: [crosstalk 00:59:31] It didn't come out of nowhere, but it kind of did. He wasn't well.
Jennifer Tracy: [crosstalk 00:59:37] You got a phone well. You were in a place, getting ready to teach.
Jules B. Davis: Yes. I was totally leading-
Jennifer Tracy: And you had to leave.
Jules B. Davis: ... a group of women, and drove down there. It was so... my god. This is again, and I have [inaudible 00:59:48] it lives everywhere. I mean, obviously, you don't want to live in your traumatic nervous system all the time. That's not fun. I mean, a lot of us are, and call me later, but on the times that finally, it takes a moment or has a [Kir Royale 01:00:02], or something. You're just like, thank God. Forget that old [inaudible 01:00:06]
Jennifer Tracy: Kir Royale, my god, I haven't... That is so funny.
Jules B. Davis: I mean, it's pink. It's bubbly. It's fun. It doesn't do much. Whatever. Anyway, so yeah, I was down by the ocean and walking the ocean, and prepping for them, and just the whole thing. Then I got the call that he might not make it through the night. I was like, "Okay," so I'm driving back, and it was Labor Day weekend. I had to drive back up from Cardiff by the Sea, which I love so much, and come back up to L.A., and then leave the next morning at 4:00 AM. I was there for eight days, and I was there in the room when he transitioned over. My father was a prestigious neurosurgeon and saved many, many lives in his life, but was really a surgeon till the end. He really was a surgeon much more than he was a human. It's such a beautiful thing to say, in a way, because I mean, that is a human.
Jules B. Davis: He was very human, but he was definitely a surgeon. It was... yeah, he had been sick for a while with a really unique situation happening. He had skin cancer, but it was very... It was awful. Many surgeries. He'd go down, and then he'd be at the club, and then he'd go down. We just never saw him go down and not get back up. There was a very Pavlovian experience happening. That's literally 10 podcasts long, what occurred.
Jennifer Tracy: [crosstalk 01:01:27] Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: My brother is an oncologist, my dad being the surgeon and, my mom was a nurse, and just the whole thing, and then I'm the witchy doctor in the corner calling in the directions in the morning before anyone got there. It was me and the hospice doctor that kept questioning the naturalness of his going, and my brother kept saying, "I want him to go naturally," and yet he was on machines that kept him there. It was such a confused... It's a New York Times article I may never write, but it really was so fascinating, the idea of how we're defining nature and also, in situations like this. Again, another full-on vortex hospice in the hospital, was that everyone has to get on board because he's... really every relationship is changing, each one.
Jules B. Davis: We all have a relationship with him, and so everybody needed to get on board, and it took days for everyone to get... no matter how many stats my brother would look at, or he'd go in there in the all-knowing god-doctor vibe. I would just sing to my dad. He definitely liked Lionel Richie. There was some James Taylor. I didn't call that in. I was more singing whatever came, but we weren't really a singing family, so stop those fantasies, but I brought that in. It's so fascinating that... I know when I speak, and I'm sure all of us can really go to those vortexes, like with what you just experienced with your dear friend, and her partner, and the mother. Just the whole thing. You brought in to a thing that isn't, again, culturally held.
Jules B. Davis: We're all doing it differently. We're all grieving differently. We're all going back to our places differently.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, it's good to name that we all do that, and that in that collective realm, we really can create something different, without needing to fix it.
Jennifer Tracy: Right. Yeah. There's no fixing it.
Jules B. Davis: Just the hunger for it.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. I want to talk about Patreon.
Jules B. Davis: Yay.
Jennifer Tracy: I want to talk about this endeavor, and this exciting platform that you're getting to bring this work to us.
Jules B. Davis: It's so good. Patreon is so good. It feels like I'm bringing the Israelites into freedom from Egypt, but everyone's taking really long time. I'm like, "Come on, its freedom. Come on over here." Patreon, starting it out, it took forever, like things do.
Jennifer Tracy: You didn't want to do it at first, right?
Jules B. Davis: I know, but I just... I don't even know. Why do things take forever, all the things that we're waiting to do? Stop us right now.
Jennifer Tracy: I know.
Jules B. Davis: Just stop it.
Jennifer Tracy: I know.
Jules B. Davis: I'm going to give all of us a little spanking of love. Even the books that are waiting for us to write, and just all of those things, the shows, whatever is coming next, and then everything has their own divine timing-
Jennifer Tracy: Timing.
Jules B. Davis: ... just the death.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Death, birth, it all has its own... We have no control over anything. Can we just say that over and over again, every moment of the day?
Jennifer Tracy: 100%.
Jules B. Davis: There's no gripping. "Stop white knuckling it," I'm telling myself.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Then everyone's #MeToo, in the best way. Patreon is a virtual brick and mortar for this work. This work has always been really not translatable, like you started. We're headed into the circle here. We're getting to the beginning. Really, unless you experience it, it's really hard to describe, for years and years, right, because it's so custom and yet, we're talking about a longing that really doesn't even have language, and then it's these wisdom stories, our body and then we're having a tea that's so freaking amazing, and whatever that is. It was really a privileged few that... I mean, there's only so many people one can see, right?
Jules B. Davis: We can all see, and then it became a private practice and people from all over the world, virtually or in person, and then the retreats. Through this journey with my body, and with this new relationship, and deeply old ancient relationship that I have come to really grieve as I begin to know her, really, my pact with her is really what has started and begun everything, and now it's forever, which is, just use me. It's an emotional, deeply intimate space of just, if I stay here, use me and use my voice, and my body, and I'm here for you. I'm here. I'm here for you first because my body really is your body, and your body is so not well. We're just using your body, and we're in your body. By that fire, I would just kneel down and be with the soil, and it just felt so right. I never had a faith other than, of course, antibiotics, which didn't work for me.
Jules B. Davis: I'm Jewish, and I totally love the traditions of Judaism. It's definitely cultural. I love it so much. I have a gorgeous community of that and it's growing, and my language around that, but it's not the realms of a god in that way. In this, essentially, commitment I made, which was use this body, use this voice for as long as I get to be here in this complete unknown, because I have no idea. Things come out of nowhere, is what I learned, and they're not just my mom. Anyway, all to say, here all night. But, truly it's like they do, they do. That doesn't mean we have to live into everything and grip it, grip it, grip it. It actually means, take a deeper breath, like you said.
Jules B. Davis: It means, okay, feel the body on the chair. Okay, just take this moment. Well, how important is it? I loved this one [Dula Anna Markel 01:07:11], who's really known in Los Angeles in the early days. She said, "Really, I make my decisions from this: is the house on fire?" It stayed with me. Is the house on fire? No. Then okay, I'm okay, and really, it went to the next level. Do I have cancer? No, not today or nothing that I know. Okay, great. Moving into the next level.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: That's not to say that all the self-help books are like, "If you had a year to live, what would you do?" and then you go into writing a novel. You know what you would do? You'd stare at the wall and watch paint dry because you'd be scared to death to die.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: I mean, no one really knows what they're saying. In the realms of Patreon, bringing it back old school, is making the work... what she had really shared was make it accessible. Make it known, share it, repeat, repeat, repeat. Be open, provide what's needed, no longer manifesting intentions, which I totally believe in, and I love so much, but in the line with her, and aligned with her, and aligned with this body that I get to lease space in. Not just this body, but her body, and it just makes so much sense. Even when we talk about it, you're nodding your head like it makes so much sense.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: It's so beautiful to have a place to go, "Hey, is this aligned? Is this the way to you? Does this lighten your heaviness?" Because really, I'm in service. That's what we're doing here. That's when we feel the greatest. It's when we're in service-
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: ... and when we're loving, and when we're connecting, and rim-
Jennifer Tracy: Jobs.
Jules B. Davis: ... jobbing, whatever that even means. I don't even know what I'm saying. I just took it to a whole other texture, maybe deep in the valley, but anyway. Patreon is a place where I have sink talks. The sink talks they're at the moment, and it might change by December, but right now it's weekly. They drop on Tuesday mornings at 6:00 AM [crosstalk 01:09:02].
Jennifer Tracy: It's delicious, I get it in my inbox.
Jules B. Davis: It's so good.
Jennifer Tracy: It's really sweet.
Jules B. Davis: You can just wake up to me at the sink. You don't have to look at me. You can see me once. I'm going to look the same for 10, 15 minutes. Nothing's going to happen in the realms of my look, unless maybe something does. Women are doing dishes with me all over the world right now with listening to it. It's good wisdom. It's this language. It's inquiry. It's questions. It's prompts. It's inspiring us. It's realizing us. It's becoming.
Jennifer Tracy: It gathers us in that way.
Jules B. Davis: It's gathers us. It's a forever conversation.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Everyone's writing in about what's aligning for them, what's not. "I didn't think about this." I love the, "I didn't think about that. That's why I'm on the planet." "I didn't feel that." "You know what? I never thought about that." Good. That's what we're doing here, right?
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: We're here to shift our perspective. We're here to say, "Look at this mountain. Look at how much room there is on this mountain? The waterfalls over there." "Oh really? Okay. I never saw the [inaudible 01:09:59]." "Oh there it is." Patreon is that. There's classes as well every other week, and it's moving into a visual podcast. I'll probably come to you in your kitchen and go to your sink.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Just bringing in the kitchen healing realm and this language realm, and her, and just making it accessible. It's not thousands of dollars. It's so doable. Everyone can get on board.
Jennifer Tracy: Absolutely. There's so many levels of entry.
Jules B. Davis: There are so... yeah. I mean, it's so good.
Jennifer Tracy: [crosstalk 01:10:28] We'll have links to all of this in the show notes for this episode, and on milfpodcast.com. You can go and easily find that.
Jules B. Davis: Love it.
Jennifer Tracy: If you want to engage with Jules in that way, that's such a direct line to have her, and just from my experience... I mean, I'm very fortunate that I can drive over here to Pasadena and see her, but even when I can, I get to have a kitchen sink talk and have that reminder to take a deeper breath, and just pause and be. You are so soothing and grounding and it's just one of your gifts. Yeah, so I just I wanted to share that with the listeners because in this world of just too much input, I mean, it's just too much input, and my son will say, he's like, "It's just Sunset Boulevard, Mom. I can't take it."
Jules B. Davis: Oh Blake, he's so right.
Jennifer Tracy: He really gets it. I'm like, "You're right, you're right, you're right, it's too much." It's to take that five minutes. You know just really slow down.
Jules B. Davis: Slow it way down, and name the insanity.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: I mean, let's name it. You're not alone. We're all in it together.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: We get to name the complete shit show-
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: ... and slow it down. We actually are women that can do everything, but we don't want to be doing everything.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Let's really just name the elephants. Let's love those elephants. Let's not maybe go visit them. Okay. Different time, but in the realms of this, it's like, yes, our kids know. I guess it literally lives, and who are we? Who do you want to become? Yeah. Then you get to build from there. It's exciting to live.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: It really is.
Jennifer Tracy: It's pretty glorious. It's pretty darn glorious.
Jules B. Davis: It is, and we can no longer look to the culture for that holding. We have to become the culture that holds.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: We can start at the sink. I mean, why not?
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my god, I love you so much.
Jules B. Davis: I love you so much.
Jennifer Tracy: I'm going to ask you some fun questions.
Jules B. Davis: Amazing. Oh my gosh, is everyone still with us? I love you. Thank you for being here.
Jennifer Tracy: Oh my god. Thank you. These are new questions from the last time you answered the [inaudible 01:12:55].
Jules B. Davis: I love new questions.
Jennifer Tracy: Episode 70 I changed over some questions, but I have to say I kept a few of them because I loved them so much. This question, it's like it was designed for you. What do you think about, Jules, when you hear the word "love"?
Jules B. Davis: I mean, what do I think about the word ‘love'?
Jennifer Tracy: When you hear the word "love", what comes to you? It can be a thought. It can be a feeling. It can be a sensation.
Jules B. Davis: I mean, everything.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Everything comes to me. Love is everything. We are love-
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: ... and fuchsia.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: Fuchsia comes to me.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, just because it's just too good. I mean, everybody needs a little fuchsia neon tape. Art tape doesn't [inaudible 01:13:43].
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: That's love.
Jennifer Tracy: If you could live anywhere in the world other than where you're living now, where would you live?
Jules B. Davis: I don't know if I've been to where I would live, but in the realms of what I know now, because I only know so much right now, right? I really love British Columbia. I love Canada. I love places where I'm small and the earth is big, and she reminds me of how tiny I am, and that she's really the queen. She's the one, and so I want to be in a place where I'm reminded, moment to moment, of my place.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. How do you define serenity?
Jules B. Davis: Allanon. No, but that's perfect, right? I mean, come on. Courage to change, everybody. Let's do it. Such a foundational pillar for everyone.
Jennifer Tracy: Literally.
Jules B. Davis: Literally.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: There's not [inaudible 01:14:36] qualify.
Jennifer Tracy: [crosstalk 01:14:36] Trust me. You qualify. You all qualify.
Jules B. Davis: Everyone qualifies. The language needs to be updated on Allanon. Anyway, yes, it's any anybody that ever did something different than what they said or felt. That's it. Okay. Does everyone qualify? Yes. Okay, serenity. That's it right there.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. Let's leave it at that.
Jules B. Davis: Totally.
Jennifer Tracy: Lightning round of questions. Fireside or Oceanside?
Jules B. Davis: Gosh, both.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: Favorite junk food?
Jules B. Davis: I love M&M's plain.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah. I mean, it's just too good.
Jennifer Tracy: It's so good.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. Do you like theme parks?
Jules B. Davis: Gosh, no, no, but I'd love to make one.
Jennifer Tracy: What would your theme park be like? I should add that question.
Jules B. Davis: Oh my gosh.
Jennifer Tracy: What would your theme park be?
Jules B. Davis: I mean, it would be the deepest, nourishing, beautiful. It'd be-
Jennifer Tracy: It'd be a farm, some kind of farm.
Jules B. Davis: ... ocean and farm.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Exactly. That's exactly what I thought. We'd be harvesting and gathering, and climbing, and then we'd be totally nourished. We'd be sweat lodging. There would also be a steam.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay.
Jules B. Davis: There would be a...
Jennifer Tracy: [inaudible 01:15:42] There'd be an artist's studio. We could paint.
Jules B. Davis: There'd be painting. I mean, essentially, it's the retreat.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, there you go.
Jules B. Davis: It's the retreats that we create, but it really... yeah. I love the idea of that. There'd be also cashmere somewhere, even if there was just a cold room. I mean, there's got to be cashmere and some really good ice cream, but ice cream that's aligned, again, with her.
Jennifer Tracy: Ice cream that we made from the farm.
Jules B. Davis: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: We would make it there.
Jules B. Davis: Everything, like a basil ice cream or something.
Jennifer Tracy: Yum.
Jules B. Davis: My gosh, that's so good.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay,
Jules B. Davis: I love a theme park.
Jennifer Tracy: Daytime sex or nighttime sex?
Jules B. Davis: Anytime sex where I'm really feeling it.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah, no, it's really a good idea, and I love sex with me.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: I mean-
Jennifer Tracy: Thank you.
Jules B. Davis: ... bring it on.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Actually, you can use it as a medicine-
Jennifer Tracy: For sure.
Jules B. Davis: ... if you want to release before you have these big talks.
Jennifer Tracy: For sure.
Jules B. Davis: I mean, not here today, but maybe. You just don't know what's waiting for you in the space that's being so tight. When you loosen that, you become a genius. Masturbate. It's good for you dot com, okay Or even just feeling your breast. Just one, because that's what we got here, but just, I'll be in a meeting and I'll just put my hand on my heart, or not in my pants, but on my belly. It's always good to... It's so hard to remember the planet, let alone the fact that we have a body. Remember that you have a body. It's not just this thing above your neck, because the thing above your neck is tiny. Oh my god, she grew... she was one when you were 30 so whatever that age is, right? Did we do this in the last podcast?
Jennifer Tracy: No. What do you mean, she was one when you were 30?
Jules B. Davis: Our brain-
Jennifer Tracy: Right.
Jules B. Davis: Is done growing at-
Jennifer Tracy: At 25 or something.
Jules B. Davis: ... 30.
Jennifer Tracy: Is it 30?
Jules B. Davis: Then really, probably, the research will show later, never.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Then whatever age you are, if you're 50 or 20, I mean... really, and then your body is way older than it was when you were born because you've been growing since you were a minnow.
Jennifer Tracy: A minnow?
Jules B. Davis: Essentially, you're fucking body is wise, that's what I'm saying.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: Okay, go.
Jennifer Tracy: Shower or bathtub?
Jules B. Davis: I mean, they're both necessary. Different energies. Sometimes you need to steep. Sometimes you need a waterfall, a Buddhist waterfall.
Jennifer Tracy: On a scale of one to 10, how good are you at making lasagna?
Jules B. Davis: I don't make lasagna, so I don't know.
Jennifer Tracy: That is the answer.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: That is your answer.
Jules B. Davis: I don't know.
Jennifer Tracy: What is your biggest pet peeve?
Jules B. Davis: I mean, the first word that came in was ignorance, but I would say... I don't even know what that even really... I mean, I know what it means, but I don't think it's right. I think, I don't know if it's a pet peeve, but I would say... Oh god, now I'm getting an enormous download, but that's not going to serve us right now because it was a lightning round, and now we're in like a swamp. I would say that do what calls. Do what calls-
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: ... and those that are called and don't go, I mean, again, we don't have any control over anyone else's life, but I would say that, yeah. I mean, there's a lot in my... I could come up with a few with my husband. I mean, that would be much simpler, Jules. How about not go so wide. I'm widening it really big, but okay let me bring it in. If I bring it into him, I would say he's really all about the planet, and then he buys stuff that... he forgets.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: That's a pet peeve. I'm like, "How about don't forget, because she's dying." Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Anyway, no big deal.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Let's not end it on a down note.
Jennifer Tracy: It's all good. Superpower choice, invisibility, ability to fly, or super strength? I'm going to add one that my friend added yesterday, or teleportation. You can just...
Jules B. Davis: I just went into a phone box in Spain. Teleportation. What is that? I feel like...
Jennifer Tracy: Like you're Superman, changing into your costume.
Jules B. Davis: It might be called teleportation, or something. It might...
Jennifer Tracy: Teleportation.
Jules B. Davis: That's exactly it.
Jennifer Tracy: Cools.
Jules B. Davis: Good. I love when it's [foreign language 01:20:07] be in McDonald's. Whatever. I can't even believe [inaudible 01:20:10].
Jennifer Tracy: No, like if you can just basically beam yourself.
Jules B. Davis: Yes.
Jennifer Tracy: Right? That.
Jules B. Davis: Again, I mean this is terrible. I love everything. I mean, flying is pretty fantastic, but then invisibility, I don't know if it serves though. I think it's got to be flying or that other one.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Transport... teleportation.
Jennifer Tracy: Teleportation.
Jules B. Davis: I just want to go to Spain right now. Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: I feel you. I want to go to Italy.
Jules B. Davis: Majorca.
Jennifer Tracy: Yes.
Jules B. Davis: Okay.
Jennifer Tracy: There you go.
Jules B. Davis: Yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: Would you rather have a cat tail or cat ears?
Jules B. Davis: By far, ears. I mean, by far.
Jennifer Tracy: Why by far?
Jules B. Davis: Just because anything down there, no. Nothing furry and itchy.
Jennifer Tracy: True. More chances for a UTI.
Jules B. Davis: Then trying to sit. It's a whole thing.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah.
Jules B. Davis: I don't need anything-
Jennifer Tracy: Extra.
Jules B. Davis: ... there, yeah.
Jennifer Tracy: Just your hand in your pants once in a while, to make sure that you're grounded.
Jules B. Davis: I love a little warm hand, palm vibe on the low belly, but yeah. No, definitely the ears because then you can hear things, and you're cute.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah. Got it. Okay. What was the name of your first pet?
Jules B. Davis: Rags.
Jennifer Tracy: What was the name of the street you grew up on?
Jules B. Davis: I think that was... there were a few, but I think we did this last time.
Jennifer Tracy: We did.
Jules B. Davis: I think it was Tern Point Circle, tern being the bird tern. T-E-R-N. I know. Southern Florida.
Jennifer Tracy: What was the pet's name?
Jules B. Davis: Rags.
Jennifer Tracy: Rags Tern. Let's just say Rags Tern.
Jules B. Davis: I mean...
Jennifer Tracy: That sounds like a cowgirl.
Jules B. Davis: It sounds like I'm also a lawyer on the side. It feels like I'm really, actually smart. I'm doing smart things.
Jennifer Tracy: Well, but I think Rags Tern might be the person that's like, "Did you have an..." This is terrible, of like cultural appropriation, but people are going to... "Did you have an [foreign language 01:22:01]?
Jules B. Davis: My gosh. Rags Tern?
Jennifer Tracy: I am Rags Tern, to represent you.
Jules B. Davis: I like Rags Tern in that way.
Jennifer Tracy: No, I'm just coming up with some crazy shit.
Jules B. Davis: We're so silly. We need to eat right now.
Jennifer Tracy: Yeah, we do.
Jules B. Davis: I'm making something with arugula.
Jennifer Tracy: Okay, I'm just getting really silly. I love you so much. Thank you. Thank you for this.
Jules B. Davis: I love you so much. Thank you. I have no idea what just happened.
Jennifer Tracy: Neither do I, but it's out of our hands now.
Jules B. Davis: I love us.
Jennifer Tracy: I love us, too. Thanks so much for listening, guys. I really hope you enjoyed my conversation with Jules. Please tune in next week when I have TV showrunner, executive producer, writer and pretty much badass extraordinaire, Erica Messer on the show. I love Erica so deeply. I've known her for years and years, and years, and I have just watched her skyrocket in the world of TV and film. She's just incredible, and that interview was really, really great. Please join me for that, December 26th, the day after Christmas. It'll be a nice treat.
Jennifer Tracy: I just am so grateful for this community. Thank you, Gifts for Good, for offering the discount code MILFFORGOOD for my listeners, and just being an awesome company. Thank you, Growing Candle, for the discount code MILF10. Thank you, Hope Scarves, for doing awesome stuff, and helping people in treatment feel like they're a little bit less alone because of what you're doing. It's so beautiful, and I love being able to bring this to you guys every week, and that you actually listen. I'll be talking to you next week. Okay, bye.